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Had it not necessarily shut down keystone, but been open to keeping it open and all these other things it wanted including wind, solar and what have you. what do you think we'd be looking at now? >> well -- [audio difficulty] the important point here, neil, is it takes all sorts of energy to produce the amount to keep the economy growing at the pace we -- [audio difficulty] it takes fossil fuels, it takes wind, it takes solar. when you pursue a policy -- production of energy -- [audio difficulty] neil: all right. secretary, i'm very sorry, sir, but we have some all of a sudden owe issues with ...

Approach where you have some wind, solar, fossil fuel, for the last couple years, china closed down hundreds of coal mines as the economy has recovered, coal prices have gone up, they switch to natural gas, natural gas prices have increased 5fold in asia and europe, those consumers are switching to oil and then we see an increase in oil demand so it is all connected. the bottom line is the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing you need some fossil fuel plant to handle the baseload. neil: you and i were talking in the early days of the biden administration, not to pin this on him but the...

Scavenger hunt going on. and if he follows the notes in a timely manner, he can go from point "a" to "b, " to "c, " to "d" and come up with the holy grail, which is the key to unlock this thing. >> that's basically what it was. it was a scavenger hunt. and each site was to have notes on where to go next and a key to one of the four keyholes that held the device around his neck. >> jerry clark had never seen anything like it. no one had. investigators decided to retrace wells'steps. it looked as though he was following the instructions to the letter. jerry, i'm lookin'over here. i see an urgent...

Tre treachery. >> i get the sense there's a scavenger hunt going on, and if he follows the notes in a timely manner, he can go from point a to b to c to d and come up with the holy grail, which is the key to unlock this thing. >> that's basically what it was. this was a scavenger hunt, and each site was to have notes on where to go next and a key to one of the four keyholes that held the device around his neck. >> jerry clark had never seen anything like it. no one had. investigators decided to retrace wells' steps. it looked as though he was following the instructions to the letter. >> jerry,...