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So what we think on the coasts are seismic movements and are crickets there in wisconsin. >> i think that's intelligent in in sense. it would ridiculous, if you have an actual life to live to follow every zig and zag. there's an actual investigation. people will be put under oath. we may learn something, three months from now, six months, nine months from now. nothing that the woman in wisconsin or the rest of us can do about things. interesting for us to follow the news and guess what's going to come out but i think there's a real reality there. the legal stuff matters the most. we into the m...

What really brought down nixon was the conservative democrat sam ervin, a moderate republican named howard baker, a judge, a hanging judge named by republicans, john sa rick ca, and a very cautiously democrat, a bunch of lefties didn't bring down richard nixon. >> it's been remarkable to watch because every evening of every day there is a major revelation. there's a major story, if not multiple stories that are coming out about this white house, and you're really seeing this white house really veering at this point. they are just enveloped in chaos at the worst possible moment. the president i...

Him? >> yes. >> and this will all be under mueller. so mueller has all this information to use to try to get the truth heading all the way to the president? >> yes, he does. >> let's talk about obstruction of justice. the case you were involved in, the watergate case, the case involving bill clinton, whatever you think of the case, they got an impeachment out of it, not a conviction. they probably would have got rn both out of nixon if he hadn't resigned. talk about the possibilities of impeachment down the road. what do they need for that? >> i think we're ahead -- >> no. what do you need for...

Didn't owe him, who didn't owe him his job, who didn't obama him his loyalty. >> as you know, as a watergate, "washington post" guy, who brought down nixon? it wasn't just woodward and bernstein. it was the sources they had, the fbi? >> exactly. >> the fbi. >> exactly. they know a lot. >> lester holt asked president trump about his commitment to the russian investigation. let's watch that. >> what you said a moment ago about supporting the idea of investigation, a lot of people would find it hard to believe that the man who just said that tweeted very recently, it's a total hoax. it's a taxpay...

Kennedys or the watergate leaks that brought down nixon, senior fbi official mark felt. they may have been of the fbi deciding for itself what is best for our democracy. here with us now, we have a super history panel, jeremy bash, former cia chief of staff and national security analyst for us. dalla lithwick, rick stingle, former editor of time and charles kyzer. jeremy, the counterargument on behalf of the deep state, if you will, which is leaks are unavoidable. people are doing their best and everything is infused with politics in washington. by that defense, do you still have concerns abou...