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Not just republicans in house and the senate on the war path it's not just republicans in the house and senate on the warpath against obamacare. now some states have a new plan to take down obamacare. what's the plan? karl rove joins us. evening, sir. >> evening, how are you? >> i'm very well. so tell me, what is the plan that some states, obviously not all the states, have to in some way impede or avoid obamacare? >> well, everybody, i think, a lot of people know about the previous efforts by states to say we're not going to participate in the expansion of medicaid. obamacare expands the nu...

>> the president is never going to sign a bill that defunds obamacare. >> here's what i think should happen. the house of representatives should pass a continuing resolution that funds the federal government in its entirety, every aspect of the federal government, except obamacare, and it should explicitly defund obamacare. president obama and harry reid will scream that the learns are threatening to shut down obamacare. we need to stand up and win the argument. we have to stand up and say no, we want to keep the government open, we voted to keep the government open, to fund the

Age groups, only 10% of 18-24 year-olds saying they're very familiar. 55 and over, that age group says 18% of them say they're very familiar as well. the president was talking college affordability. he did bring up health care to this crowd of college students earlier in the context of what you were talking about, charging republicans want to shut down the government by connecting it to health care reform. take a listen. >> we've seen a faction of republicans in congress suggest that maybe america shouldn't pay its bills that have already been run up, that we should shut down governme governme...

Is shut down obamacare and shut down obamacare, then the next logical step is people will say then shut down the government. if that's what you want to do, then let's take it tots farthest extreme of so it is a very interesting dynamic that's happening in the republican party right now. for me, i happen to love watching it. you know, people's lives are at stake. >> what's interesting about the two is it seem to be my colleague, steve kornacki has pointed out almost a litmus test in material of whether or not they'll shut down the government. we saw this week, gop members of congress were kind ...

Show." the push back against historic health care reform, you know it really has no boundaries, they're going to do anything. republican governors are tripping all over one another trying to deny affordable health care to people in their states. >> we're not going to implement obamacare in florida. we're not going to expand medicaid because we're going to dethe right thing. >> they're going to do the right thing, ignore who needs help. florida governor rick scott is saying no to those who need medicaid. they will pick up 100% of the tab for three years, after that, florida would pay a maximum ...