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Died on board panam jet over lockerbie. traced back to libyan terrorists. one man was convicted as you know. does human rights watch get involved with this terrorism stuff? because i say to my audience, the reason i support this action on behalf of the united states, and it is costing us a tremendous amount of money, is because qaddafi is a terrorist. and he needs to be taken into custody and held accountable for what he did on that panam incident. does human rights watch measure that? >> we absolutely measure terrorism. and counter terrorism. and we judge both by the standards of internationa...

Walk around. you couldn't do that. >> you can't walk around very much right now. >> bill: let's back to -- >> -- it's hard to engineer another country's liberation. people have to liberate themselves. unfortunately many people get killed in history in liberating themselves. >> bill: would you have been willing to stand by with ralph nader and michael moore and watch those libyans be slaughtered? would you have been willing to do that. >> i have not been standing by. i personally was arrested in the libyan industry for taking down qaddafi's picture. i have been with the people of libya. but i t...

Americans. i don't see the big downside here. i don't see it as all. if it doesn't go well in the sense that the worst thing that could happen is qaddafi sits on his butt in tripoli and he doesn't get out of there that's the worst case scenario. >> stalemate. >> bill: then you just say all right. we will go up once in a while. we will have the qatar planes go up. french planes go up. not do much. sit off the coast. >> o'reilly, you would have the united states of america stake its credibility on this action and cut and run. >> bill: not running anywhere. keeping them on the carrier. >> two bad...

>> bill: impact segment tonight, the group human rights watch heavily invested in making sure people all over the world are not abused. as you may know the u.n. directive allows action against libya in order to protect civilians from qaddafi's goons. joining us from washington the director of the middle east and north african rights. do you support the military action on behalf of the civilians in libya? >> what we support are actions taken by the international community to protect civilians. obviously the international community has used a variety of means to try to do that including military...

Americans being killed in berlin, germany by terrorists. mr. reagan said this. >> when our citizens are abused or attacked, anywhere in the world, on the direct orders of a hostile regime, we will respond so long as i am in this oval office. self-defense is not only our right, it is our duty. >> bill: so the question becomes is, it the obligation of every american president to do what president reagan did. joining us from washington fox news political analyst charles krauthammer. so, it's -- this is a tough one, you know, because you get qaddafi. we know he was responsible for the lockerbie bo...