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In comparison to donald trump and the people who agree with him, the democrats in comparison do not want a strong border. the president believes that's a down side and he is insisting on something a lot more strong. >> the president is not claiming a rhetorical point. he is claiming this as a factual point. let me ask you, michael, if i can -- >> when do democrats take rhetorical points. >> you want to get to the president's position on this. that's what is key here. people talk about doubts about the president's word. based on his own statements has changed enormously. you may be aware of tha...

The down side of the president is sometimes he leaves half his government behind. >> more than that. it's from the seat of the pants. >> i appreciate both of you being here. thank you. ahead, teachers in oklahoma say they'll walk off the job, even after being told they'll get an average raise of $6100. i'll talk with one teacher who says it's not enough, next. and a massive data breach at several retailers, this one affecting more than 5 million customers. we'll have details coming up.

With which it has agreed with the federal trade commission. >> let's move to the latest numbers on the president. in terms of the popularity it shows that he has a 42% approval rating. 54% are disapproving, it is a slight bump there. but still on the down side. what do you think this means for republicans heading into the mid term. >> i think we should run for election or re-election based upon our records and where we have disagreed with the president, as i have on health care policy. and on tax policy. i think the generic ballot, i think there's a 6% differential in favor of democrats generi...

Unabomber around he got the information. it came from the public. by getting out his manifesto, that resulted in the guy's own brother giving him up, which again, 18 years is certainly a long time. it shows how important the public is in this equate. dan? >> yeah, sean, the public will be very important. we have a couple of advantages now that we didn't have in 1996 when the unabomber got caught. dna technology has advanced along with a library of samples to compare them to. number 2, cameras. cameras were not everywhere in the 90s. of course they were around but not like they are now, whether...

And they have been b affected at high levels in the fbi. it neemed needs to be investigated from the outside so the facts can be made known, corrections made. the personnel are now being removed. that is a very important step and i applaud attorney general sessions for removing mr. mccabe. however, we need to make sureee this does not happen in the future and, therefore, the congress, which has the legislative power and the a oversight responsibility, needs to have all of the facts. >> maria: how long are you expecting this to go on?s let's say there is a second s special counsel come in. what...