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And comply. >> for more now, joined by former fbi special agent clint watts. jennifer rogers, u.s. district attorney for southern new york. and former reporter for the new york times. and jennifer, let me start from you, pr a prosecutor standpoint, if you were in bob mueller's shoes and you are doing this investigation as special counsel and you heard senior official at the justice department, rod rosenstein who has the power to step in there and deny you latitude, and step in and take you off the case, if you heard him making the comments we just played yesterday, how as a special prosecutor ...

Who would make the best witness, whether you want to make a deal, that taints the witness a little bit. you only want to make a deal if they have the goods. you want to see what they have to share whether it's something that implicates the big guy whether it's worth your while. >> take us through pr a defense lawyer standpoint. we don't know the full circumstances of this apparent wildstein meeting with the u.s. attorney, but if you're a defense attorney and you're going in there in this situation, take us through what that conversation is like. what kinds of things are you saying? how is some...

Certain ways in which we can make things, express things in a better way. but it's also consistent with our need to change our rules and guidelines and change the statute that is actually involved in that matter. so you never call a reporter who is simply doing his or her job in gathering news a criminal. that's not something i'm comfortable with. i'm not comfortable with guidelines, with rules, with laws that would force us to do something like that. and it is in that area that i think changes will be the most significant. >> a kurm of other quick points. number one, he says he wants to give ...

Realism and entrepreneurial diplomacy. as i said, this is not just tentially pr a conflict and rejecting a stalemate of the last 65 years with north korea, but it also could signal a new way, a new architecture for diplomatic relations moving forward. the world is screaming for some type of new interpersonal echo system both in our homes and communities, as well as between nations. what that means is you have to have the ability to reach out and provide authenticity and dialogue and create some space. the world is racing towards destructive technology, and then what? civilization itself is at ...

The gay community and so romney -- i agree with mark. i thought his answer today was boater than the answer he usually gives, in terms of admitting that the other point of view is legitimate and if he goes forward in that way, then he minimizes the negativity. >> let's say he has a lot of allies that won't be so nice. and as the gangster once said, if you have a dog, you don't have to mark. thank you mark halperin. thank you eugene robinson. up next we hear pr a republican leader and democratic for another point of view. we will hear a lot the next couple minutes about the people most affect...