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Relating to the matter of the ambush in niger. >> werkd not be fighting about a brave american who lost his life serving his country. that should not be the topic of discussion in america today. >> yes. [applause] >> it still makes me mad when i thank that if we all ask to serve, wonderful. but if some of us are allowed not to because of our income or our position or our influence, then that is a zbras. i don't consider him so much as a draft dodger as i feel that the system was so wrong that certain americans could evade their responsibilities to serve the country. we've got to lift the natio...

President and possibly not join him on things like the tax bill. let's listen to this. >> yes. >> people thought you were talking about -- >> trump. >> mr. trump because he had a doctor's note that said he had bone spurs. >> i think more than once, yes. >> more than once. >> chronic. chronic bone spurs. >> do you consider him a draft dodger? >> i don't consider him so much a draft dodger as i feel that the system was so wrong that certain americans could evade their responsibilities to serve the country. >> and before we leave this segment i just want to remind us that the reason we have been ...

>> yes. >> people thought you were talking about -- >> trump. >> mr. trump because he had a doctor's note that said he had bone spurs. >> i think more than once, yes. >> more than once. >> chronic. chronic bone spurs. >> do you consider him a draft dodger? >> i don't consider him so much a draft dodger as i feel that the system was so wrong that certain americans could evade their responsibilities to serve the country. >> and before we leave this segment i just want to remind us that the reason we have been talking about all of this is the

Senator john mccain this weekend fired a thinly veiled volley at president trump. he mentioned bone spurs specifically, which happens to be given as the medical reason for donald trump's military deferment which kept him from having to serve in vietnam. >> and one aspect of the conflict, by the way, that i will never, ever countenance is that we drafted the lowest income level of america and the highest income level found a doctor that would say that they had a bone spur. that is wrong. conflict, by the way, that i will never, ever countenance is that we drafted the lowest income level of amer...

Doesn't consider president trump a draft dodger, but he blamed the system at the time, saying, quote, certain americans could evade responsibility to serve the country. it's an interesting topic and a puzzling one. and here to talk about it with us tonight, jack jacobs, john meacham is here as well. jack, i'd like to begin with you. it's a complicated topic. i come from a family, world war ii era captain. had two songs. he suspected both of their efforts to do everything they could not to go to vietnam, which surprised us. when you look to your right and left when you were in vietnam, did you ...