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Over it? did the commissioner ever turn to the the council and say should i obey this law? >> i'm not aware of anything like that. as a matter of fact, i received oftentimes letters from the secretary's office requesting some legal information or something of that nature which is passed on to me as the attorney to write an answer and send it back up to the managerial, and then back to the secretary. and returns, most often, and i've never known any not to be turned over because they abided by that code section. >> and a leaked memo this week, a draft memo from the irs to someone in there, poss...

President's taxes. the treasury secretary put it on you. he said this is about overreach and not oversight and that's why you can't have it. we have to litigate. the draft memo says something different. it says we must comply unless the president exercises executive privilege. they did not. >> they're operating under a very old and specific law and they can request the tax returns of the president of the united states of america. i think the irs just said we needed to abide by the law unless there's an exception which is executive privilege which they didn't find had been asked for or requeste...

On may 6th, for why he wouldn't turn over the returns. i'm quoting. the committee's request lacks a legitimate legislative purpose. the department is therefore not authorized to disclose the requested returns and return information. joining me is "washington post" policy reporter jeff stein who shares the byline on the story and shan wu former federal prosecutor. can you lay out your reporting on this? explain what the irs memo -- internal memo actually says. >> sure, and thank you very much for having me on. the key thing to understand here is treasury secretary steve mnuchin, as you said, sa...

Democratic congresswomen on tonight with big proposals in terms of how to take the party forward and then going in totally different directions. one wants impeachment and the other wants a finding of the need to investigate that's voted on by the whole house. they don't know where they need to be and each new development that we'll cover on the show tonight, hope hicks coming out. the chief of staff for don mcgahn. the subpoena fight. it's just more weight that keeps them in the same place. what is the best argument for the democrats? what's the plus/minus, we'll take you through it tonight. >...

The other thing is there's this tendency, i think, that we have to view mueller as this mystical sage up on a mountain who shan't come down and grace us with his pr a human being. he works for the department of justice. he's already testified in congress over 50 times in his career. there's nothing sort of magical or misserioysterious about this. he's done the most important investigation we've seen in the united states in law enforcement in decades. he needs to come down and answer questions. i don't think there's any question about that. maybe they'll negotiate terms, but yes, we will hear f...