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Didn't matter, that he was no longer eligible for the lottery when they began it in 1969, and he was out of school and out of any potential service. yet he went back to it a year later. he's on the campaign trail talking about this draft number. i think it's a story that the best to him. and allowed him to be somewhat in the mainstream and not to have sought deferment. >> what is john mccain doing? this is now second time he's referenced the president not by name, he gave that speech last week. >> what goes around comes around. it's much deeper than that. >> if what we're seeing here is confir...

Spurs. it's a topic now because senator john mccain talked about about it. michael d'antonio heard about the bone spurs in 2014. here's some audio from the conversation. >> you did have a medical deferment? >> feet. >> what was it for? >> the medical deferment is feet. >> what was going on with your feet? >> i have bone spurs at the back of my feet which at the time prevented me from walking long distances. >> so you couldn't march? >> it would be very difficult to march long distances, very healthy, but -- in the back, in fact, you can see it, it's here, you can see it on both feet. i have sp...

The rest of the interview was that he had this high draft number, so maybe the feet didn't matter. and i shouldn't take that too seriously. we actually talked about the draft number. these become very tortured conversations. i used to be exasperated because one hour with donald trump is followed by ten hours of fact checking. we finally got to the point that he agreed the draft matter didn't matter, that he was no longer eligible for the lottery when they began it in 1969, and he was out of -- out of any potential -- but yet he went back to it and a year later he's on a campaign trail talking ...

>> so he showed you his feet. >> yeah and i saw no spur. >> do you know what a spur look like? >> well -- part of what i was getting at when i said to businessman trump about well, that's a legitimate thing, a lot of people get deferments, i was trying to get him to explain this thing about his draft number. this is something he repeated many times, a high draft number and thus i didn't have to serve. the lottery was 18 months after he graduated from college. the thing is i was watching the draft lottery in my apartment. >> none of it could have been the case. >> it couldn't have been the case...

Coping with their experience after the fighting stopped. not just veterans, on the american side. veterans on the vietnamese side as well. i started asking what the war in vietnam means to americans today. >> the most important event in american history since the second world war. so it is informed so much of how we are now. you could say a good deal of the divisions and the hyperpartisanship we experience today was borne out of those divisions and hyperpartisanship of the vietnam era, but also a thing in which people have, left right, have put themselves in these hardened silos of center base...