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Number of witnesses, pages, evidence, stacked up against barr and durham saying we disagree but we won't provide a page to explain how that's supported? >> when pete williams asked the attorney general, do you plan on issuing a public report on the durham case, i don't know yet, i haven't talked about it. it's going tok to be lingering over everybody's head as a tool, political tool. the goal posts have moved as you said. now we're all supposed to be focused on durham. we learned something today in the hearing that we didn't previously know. much of horowitz's testimony was a rehash of his rep...

Conversation for experts and lay viewers alike. i'm wondering if you can walk us through as what you saw as important bottom line coming out of the first part of this hearing. >> well, bottom line, michael horowitz who is a highly respected inspector general, neutral arbiter, if you will, defending his report and conclusions. those conclusions include something for everyone, which is what lindsey graham is seizing on, very clear mistakes made by the fbi in the first approval and subsequent reapprovals, submissions for authorization by the fisa court, that special security judge who approves su...

Long time, this is very, very difficult to watch because the politicalization that has gone on here is unprecedented. criminal investigations for no good reasons or purpose, this is unprecedented. >> i am old enough to remember when people are critical of public safety and publications. >> that's the rule. >> maya, i want you to broaden out for us. we gotten expert analysis on the details. we watched this hearing. the hearing really battles this out. again it comes against the backdrop of another check on potential of abusive power which is the congress using the ultimate most serious authorit...

His power. against that backdrop there's more interest in this notably at times obscure hearings. this is what we're dealing with. it is 400 pages, this thick. this is the report, supposed to guide the facts today. as a prosecutor watching the hearing, putting as much politics aside as you can, how much of what you saw in congress was following these facts versus just trying to layer right over them with other views? >> as a prosecutor, criminal prosecutor, i worked for all moefrt two decades with the fbi on many, many sfrp warrants and many, many wiretap applications. i think what gets lost i...

Do a number of other instances to your point did not pull a trigger on other instances. now we have the defense of the president from that we are hearing right now in this hearing in the senate being abuse of power. what william barr is doing as an agent of the president is using the powers to direct the public's attention to debunk conspiracy theories that the independent non partisan public servants have said, no, there was no political bias here. that's really what we should be concerned about. we don't want any abusing power, we don't want the fbi abusing power. we should correct any proce...