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I don't think francis is going to hang it up tomorrow. he has a lot of work to do. certainly he's opening the door to do this down the line. >> he is such a busy, busy pope, as we've been watching him now. in the presser today, he clarified the invitation to leaders in the middle east, the palestinian authority and of israel. he said it would be a meeting of prayer. so what do we take that to mean? but also i mean, that doesn't diminish how significant this is, right? >> no, it certainly doesn't diminish the significance. what it does mean is don't look for pope francis to bring a pencil and m...

Called upon the united states to drop any potential threat to attack syria, so the conditions are going to increase, i think the momentum, if there was any momentum, for the president to take military action as little as possible, as second tear kerry said, i think that's a false threat at this particular point, unless the president has the vote to back it up. >> so would it have been smarter, for lack of a term, for the president to perhaps go ahead and let congress vote and however it votes, he would then make the decision to strike syria militarily and keep that threat alive, would that hav...

To criticize my own administration, but i have to say i think they really let down not just syria, but the world. >> do you support a no-fly zone? >> yes, yeah. i think -- i don't want to get us involved in another conflict. on the other hand, we certainly can help those people who are fighting for what they consider to be freedom. >> the white house has said that if the evidence was found that the president was going to use chemical weapons against his own people, that that would be crossing a red line. so is this enough of a response now that there's documented evidence? >> well, the adminis...

Capital where you and i know and everyone watching knows the nra still seems to have a lot of impact, they score these votes, not only on guns, they score the holder contempt vote, they score a lot of things and seem to move members of both parties. >> yeah. listen, i was not a big fan of -- i voted no on allowing guns in national parks. we actually had a woman who died in the northwest, backpacking and a young person thought she was an animal and shot her dead. that was an example recently of a change in my opinion in the other direction. i think instead of drawing lines right now and instead...

Create a balance of power between both. jenna: sounds like something we'll be talking about for some time to come. a lot of movement in the region. a lot of forces at work. great to have you on the program as always. >> thank you, jenna, washington gearing up to tackle the impending fiscal cliff but the president and the speaker of the house john boehner each drawing lines that they say they will not cross. the major hurdles, that threat to send the economy into a tailspin, that's coming up next. plus a nascar race turning into a full-scale brawl. look at this. mayhem breaking out of the eve...