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Maybe there was a little bit of arrogance on our parts not to think we would face this. >> she suggested that there was some arrogance on everyone's part, not thinking that some day we might be facing this. would you agree with her? >> you know, john, lisa is a great part of our team and she is working very hard in the gulf right now to make sure that the problem is being dealt with and people are being cared for there have been 36,000 wells that have been drilled in the gulf of mexico. this problem has never happened. so you have if you want 36,000 tests where you essentially haven't had this...

Rig that caught fire and sunk, one of the most technologically advanced in the world, if not the most advanced deep water rig in the world. >> right. >> but even as drilling technology has advanced so we can do it in places we couldn't do it before, it doesn't seem like we bothered to make sure we knew how to clean up in these places if we needed to. am i being naive to think that the regulatory process, the approval process should link those two things? that you shouldn't be approved to drill deeper than you know how to clean up? >> of course. to put it another way, we've all heard about the ...

To minimize it. >> let me ask you about one specific thing about this that bothers me. the deep water horizon rig, this rig that caught fire and sunk, one of the most technologically advanced in the world, if not the most advanced deep water rig in the world. >> right. >> but even as drilling technology has advanced so we can do it in places we couldn't do it before, it doesn't seem like we bothered to make sure we knew how to clean up in these places if we needed to. am i being naive to think that the regulatory process, the approval process should link those two things? that you shouldn't be...

The well head can be shut down. that's why we make efforts to shut that well, so we can stop the flow of oil from that well head, or at least reduce the amount of flow, so every effort is being made to focus on that, as well as continue the oil removal operations on the surface. >> commander, i will say as a opinion who doesn't know very much about this technology, what i'm worried about is that we've allowed the technology for drilling in very deep water to get ahead of the technology for zealing with safety issues, in very deep water. some of the things you're doing, especially trying to cap...

Shut down? >> we are optimistic the well head can be shut down that is why we continue to make efforts to shut that well in so we can stop the flow of oil from the well head or at least reduce the amount of flow, so far effort is being made to focus on that as well as top the oil removal operations on the surface. >> commander, i will say as a person who doesn't know very much about this technology, what i'm worried about is we have allowed the technology for drilling in very deep water to get ahead of the technology for dealing with safety issues in very deep water. are some of the things tha...