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Raising productivity and real wages you're five links into a long, complicated argument. they don't buy that. you're giving a big tax cut to corporations. >> but isn't it true? >> we're making american corporations more competitive. there's no other way to do it. >> we are giving corporations a big tax cut. >> the revenue -- >> yes or no? >> no. the revenue part of the international tax reforms raises money. so that is not a tax cut for those guys. the rate cut -- >> so corporations are not getting -- this is a news alert. >> rate cut is a tax cut, period, but the international reforms that so...

Career and he has people who are close to him for a while and then get discarded but often those people come back or they talk to him through back channels. i'm thinking of corey lewandowski, for instance, the former campaign manager. this is a guy who has relied on his own counsel for many year, decades, isn't a product of his people around him. i think as much as personnel moves are important, it's really trump who's driving everything there and who is calling all the shots. >> and both of you very quickly, pardoning of joe arpaio, that certainly keeps the base happy. do you think the presid...

Getting any of that in the polls. we are seeing housing markets, wall street, of course, some downturn, the unemployment numbers are coming down a bit. nobody thinks the white house is to thank for any of this. what does he have to do to close that perception gap? >> i think he has to hope it accumulates, the only way that happens is taking health care away from the problem. this is not about geeze, remember that housing program i launched that kept you in your house? remember that auto bailout in that's not what he needs to do. it's clear that it may help health care work. i think that that h...

Disapprovals, 54% you say that's the highest ever and the trust worthy number is still unfortunately for the president pretty darn low. >> one of the things, look at the entire year it's not even close, 58% of voters say they're shaping their opinion about the president through health care and everything else was in 20s or teens whether it was the government shut down health care is driving everything. where you see it, joe, is the right track wrong direction number, the perception of the economy have rebounded a bit. they're being into preshutdown levels where there is green shoots of opt mec...