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We know he should die, if anything to get his groupies just in pure misery unless, and i agree with you, let's spare him but make his punishment sitting in a room 24/7 staring at the footage of the suffering victim. >> fine with me. fine with me. >> i'd castrate him, do whatever you need. >> you know what, bob. you don't make any sense here. you're going to castrate someone, put them in a room and you don't think that's cruel and unusual and putting someone to death in a humane way you think is -- is -- >> tons t runs completely counter to my faith and i think it runs counter to what human nat...

They never ask for, you know, a raise. >> right. martha: so a lot of those things that could be, could make it very attractive to employers to replace with robots. >> that's true. health insurance as well. lots of different, and people, jobs wanting to cut down and save this is certainly one way but at the same time, these are things that aren't happening right now. it's happening gradually. it is not something that is going to just happen overnight. martha: keep our jobs at least for a little while? >> yes, hopefully. martha: gas station attendants and security guys and pharmacy aides all tho...

>> this administration seems like that's the way to enhancing security and it's not. >> he promised full transparency, which he said would be a departure. >> the only way you can hold us accountable is if you know what we are doing. >> this week it's revealed the obama administration allowed the nsa to collect phone records of millions of americans and monitor the online activities of people overseas and add that to the fact he expanded the drone strike program and is unable to close guantanamo and goes after leakers with unprecedented zeal, and calling him george w. obama, and you have one pr...

People's expectations when it comes to what you just described? >> i think it depends on where you're coming from. if you're somebody who thinks there should be more of an interventionist strategy, i think that's not quite what you got. what you got from this president was, something that was a defense of the use of drones, for example. how you would target even americans living abroad for the first time, admitting that they had killed an american abroad as has been widely reported. i think a lot of that is probably in the eye of the beholder. but i think it certainly was further than a lot of...

Going on. >> ben, there's also the question, i mean i think when we talk about sort of, how much we are at the beginning of this conversationing or maybe in the middle as far as u.s. counterterrorism policy post 9/11, one of the reasons i think this conversation hasn't happened is because of the sort of political realities, which is to say republicans have had a very hard time figuring out their position on this, right? i mean they don't, when forced to articulate a counterterrorism strategy that's measurably different from the president's, they've been between a rock and a hard place. the pre...