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I think there's also some consternation about how long it's been that these infrastructure talks have been going without any signs that we're moving towards passing anything. it's been a long time since the covid relief bill passed. how do you think democrats are doing overall? >> look, the threat to our democracy, on voting, is enormous. this one is existential. we have to fight back against republicans cutting out people from being able to vote and cutting out the effectiveness of their vote. remember we keep talking about this, the voting package. it's not only about access to the polls. it...

No, tons of dead people did not vote in michigan. they did find there was one old lady, a 93-year-old lady who, quote, died four days before the november 2020 election. research showed she had submitted her completed absentee ballot prior to the election and prior to her death. she did all her voting work prior to dying, turns out. they also found that, no, hundreds of thousands of ballots were not wrongfully sent out to michigan voters, despite claims to the contrary from president trump and his supporters. v they also found that not only were there no problems with the voting machines in ant...

The michigan result which they just found to be sound, and not have been fraudulent or problematic at all? the michigan senate republican who is the chair of the committee that this investigation wrote this report, debunking all the claims about supposed fraud in michigan's election. he also served on the republican controlled election committee in the michigan state senate. and on that committee, he and other republicans, are citing the widespread belief and all of these false conspiracy theory about fraud in the michigan election as the reason michigan needs, i kid you not, 39 new laws. they...

Of the justice department, they can go in, investigate, and really put on the record with the threat of perjury, people that will have to say how they came to the conclusions that they needed to stop dropbox voting and absentee voting with i.d. their data, then, becomes under the scrutiny of the justice department, subject to perjury if they give false data, because they're trying to prove fraud where there was no fraud. it's one thing to see it at a press conference. it's another thing to say it if you're being litigated by the justice department and you're on federal court record. >> so as y...