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"the planes are flying overhead," she says, "dropping bombs, scaring the children. please organise a humanitarian corridor to help our children escape." but so far, there is no safe passage out of mariupol. it's about two sides that need to come to the same terms. they need to find together an agreement. and if that doesn't happen? well, if that doesn't happen, knowing already how dire the situation is for the population inside the city, we can only be extremely concerned for the life of all those people. mariupol is a big, important city, and the russians need to capture it to help their adva...

That eerily resembles the old soviet union. and because, staying in a country that is waging war feels a moral, like being inside a plane that's dropping bombs on people. they have left because the russia they have built uninhabited is disappearing, and the more people who, leave the faster it disappears. joining our discussion now is marcia gaston, staff writer for the new yorker, and author of the book, surviving autocracy. thank you very much for joining us tonight. we have been concentrating on the exodus from ukraine, which is important and life-saving under urgent. but you are reporting ...

Because of lack of medication. and there were a lot of such people inside mariupol, and many people who were killed and injured, and they'rejust lying on the ground. and today, we learnt that among the dead is the woman on the stretcher in this now infamous picture. it was taken in the immediate aftermath of a russian attack last week on a maternity hospital in mariupol. her name is not known. it's understood she begged medics to let her die, if that would help them save her unborn child. both died this weekend. as for the living, this was reportedly filmed yesterday, in a cellar in mariupol. ...

In a cellar in mariupol. "the planes are flying overhead," she says, "dropping bombs, scaring the children. please organise a humanitarian corridor to help our children escape." but so far, there is no safe passage out of mariupol. it's about two sides that need to come to the same terms. they need to find together an agreement. and if that doesn't happen? well, if that doesn't happen, knowing already how dire the situation is for the population inside the city, we can only be extremely concerned for the life of all those people. mariupol is a big, important city, and the russians need to capt...

Is that dropping bombs is not enough. that's a tactic and a tactic, absent a strategy is just pointless effort being expended. if we look at the way china is using the one belt one road initiative to expand their reach into parts of latin america and africa and to other parts of asia, that has been tremendously effective by leveraging economic and trade might. and that's an area where the u.s. has really been lacking. when we prioritize hard power, soft power falls by the wayside. that's really where we have tremendous ability to catch up to what china has been doing and surpass them. >> the b...