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Rushing -- >> outside pressure to do it. >> i think it absolutely will be a backlash. $16 million was spent by those packs on the iowa caucuses alone. that's going to snowball. 2012 will be a tipping point. you were talking about money out but this is going to be a tipping point. it's going to become an issue by november. it's going to be in our faces every day. >> you slept down at one of the original occupations. i'm interested in your perception of the potential for a movement. >> what i was most impressed with is that they weren't talking like the d.c. occupiers who were policy-oriented. i...

They thought their voice in shape pg the world around them was being drown out. in all of that, they're right. i don't agree with the solutions that it -- >> there's one solution. let's just talk about that. forget the solutions. what's your point of view on the advocacy of getting money out of politics, and as a sub text to that, term limits. you can go -- >> i think that where the decisions are made isn't when it comes to the fact that the super packs get to run ads that try to persuade american voters. the problems is behind closed doors. it's lobbyists. if i try to build a common ground, i...

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