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They're flesh, and they're blood, and they bleed, and they cry. we have to care about them. how we ultimately solve this, because it's something that needs to be addressed. it doesn't take away from the fact that the human element is what's most important here. we have an expectation to do something that's bold and has courage and is big and is righteous. i don't see it happening right now. hopefully it will move. is that all -- that's a lot there. >> yes, and it all makes sense. and i am duty-bound to ask you if you're going to get in the game and run for this -- >> i am in the game. i'm here...

What's most important here. we have an expectation to do something that's bold and has courage and is big and is righteous. i don't see it happening right now. hopefully it will move. is that all -- that's a lot there. >> yes, and it all makes sense. and i am duty-bound to ask you if you're going to get in the game and run for this -- >> i am in the game. i'm here on your show. >> well, we have a lot of people on our show. very few of them have run for president. >> yeah. i don't know, brian. i -- i want to keep my voice out there. all my options are on the table. i don't know what i'm going t...

It doesn't take away from the fact that the human element is what's most important here. we have an expectation to do something that's bold and has courage and is big and is righteous. i don't see it happening right now. hopefully it will move. is that all -- that's a lot there. >> yes, and it all makes sense. and i am duty-bound to ask you if you're going to get in the game and run for this -- >> i am in the game. i'm here on your show. >> well, we have a lot of people on our show. very few of them have run for president. >> yeah. i don't know, brian. i -- i want to keep my voice out there. a...

Credibility, tom cotton, who said that they didn't hear that conversation take place. >> cotton wasn't sure what he heard, he didn't remember, they want to duck it. they don't want to own this. they want trump to own it. >> we weren't there. >> disturb bin was there and other people were there. when the white house was called, let me tell you what's got my antenna up. it sounds just like something he would say, and he could is, when the white house was contact, they had an opportunity to back off on this right away and they didn't. the reporting cnn was, the words are what they were and we thi...

>> he headed to mar-a-lago today without the traditional year end press conference. the first time a president skipped that ritual in 15 years. he doesn't like press coverage. he abused a tax loophole to avoid a review. the reporter who broke the stories on the beat will break it down momentarily. this shows he didn't just duck it. he did it by claiming to be charitable. tirs cause it a dirty dozen scam. this gave trump over $5 million. joining me, christine stapleton, investigator for the palm beach post. what did you find?