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Can now get elected, they can now get energized by november? >> well, they can, but they're doing it with in seizusurmounta amounts of money. think about this. we have a governor that has $28 million more than his opponent and he's sitting on the ropes here tonight. that ought to tell you about the passion of the people and the power of the middle class and how information is power, and when people take the time to pay attention to the issues, they're going to respond to them. so i think that the union membership obviously is important. i believe in this area of collective bargaining and the m...

>> you might not want me saying this, ed buddy, and you're doing a fabulous job with this. you're doing better than we're doing. you could be headed to the afl-cio and be better off for it. thank you for standing up for the middle class. or something even bigger, mr. schultz. you're watching our show. by the way, your show is on 8:00 eastern from wisconsin, right there on the spot where the action is. and you're on at 11:00 tonight. the state and county local employees union out in wisconsin, how does it look, sir? >> it looks wonderful. thanks, chris, for having me on. as you remember, we wer...

Anything that's not about the jobless rate is a distraction to romney's people. what do you make of that? senator schumer? >> what i make of it, it's about jobs and it's about the economy. and having people get paid their worth makes a great deal of sense. you know, i thought about your question. i guess their view and romney's view, and he really hasn't taken a position on this proposal fully, and we're asking him, are you for it or against it and he's ducking it, but i guess the position of some, the hard right, i wouldn't say the whole business community at all, is don't put any restriction...

So i don't think it's important to reelect the president. i think it is essential to reelect the president if we want this country to have the kind of future that our children and grandchildren deserve. >> well, chris, the 23rd amendment doesn't look too good right now, does it? we're limiting the terms of the president. he looks like he's been in there since 1992. up till now, he looks like he'd be pretty good. >> anyone who has covered clinton knows he would love to serve another term as president, let's be honest. i think he made an important point, and ron touched on it, too, which is ther...

Four in the same exact category, lawyer, anesthesiologist, whatever, women get paid considerably less than men and that's wrong. now, why are republican colleagues opposing this? it's hard to fathom. it's hard to fathom. >> why do you think -- i mean, you work with businesspeople. you're not anti-business. why do you think employers do this so systemically? if you want a first rate anesthesiologist, and you got a woman candidate and a male candidate, why would you mess around with their pay scale so one would be offered less and wouldn't move up at the same speed as the male would? why would t...