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That they knew nothing about what is going on in ukraine, really. got you. henry, president biden on friday again returned to the question of sanctions. president putin had said on thursday — the first address i think he�*s made on the subject publicly — yes, some things are going to hurt but we are going to mitigate the effects. biden has moved fast. is there any frustration that the pace at which the europeans and british are moving, because they are manifestly moving at a slower pace in terms of banning oil and gas imports. i think on the fuel question, you are right that there is a t...

And so that would be a push into ukraine with nato forces on a humanitarian mission. i think it's that kind of thing where it's got to be proportional. it can't be something where it's going to ratchet up tensions even more. something like a nuclear shot that we've heard about in the past. but it's got to be something to let putin know what he's doing is unacceptable and it's causing us to get closer in terms of doing things that he doesn't want to see, which is to see nato get involved in what's actually happening in ukraine. >> haggar, i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you about these sanctions ...

Ambassador to ukraine, william taylor, and retired u.s. army brigadier general. ambassador, what specifically could president biden and the 29 other nato leaders try to accomplish at this summit to help turn this tide of the war around? >> wolf, they can do a couple things. one, they can turn on the spigot. so the weapons are flowing. but the spigot can be bigger. it can be wider open. all the things we've talked about in terms of anti-air, air defense, the anti-armor, the stingers, all of it can go wider. it needs to be wider. that's number one. and number two, tighten the noose. there are st...

Lot right now. the sanctions against russia that have been well documented that have had a devastating impact on their economy, the confiscation of property from their oligarchs, the sanctions against individual members of the duma and individual supporters of putin. a lot is being done to cripple russia. it's having an effect. also, we are arming the ukrainians. we are sending in a wide range of weapons that are helping in this fight. so we are very active right now trying to confront that. up to the point of not wanting to start a direct war and a direct conflict with russia, which is the ba...

To our allies. and let's remember, the president really has joined the whole world in favor of ukraine and against putin. but you know, we absolutely are going to do more and more severe sanctions. and the sanctions are certainly, i think, having their effect, but we can do more. zelenskyy asked the members of congress, he said we should go further and go after russian, other russian politicians and members of the duma. and so we are continuing. we did another $13.6 billion in humanitarian aid. we continue, as i said, to talk to our allies. that's what this trip is about. to talk about the way...