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Committee and senator and former governor of virginia, mark warner, wanting to give the president flexibility. but, generally, the democrats objected to giving the president the flexibility that i think he ought to have because the american people clearly, bipartisan, understand that their tax dollars are being wasted. they think about 50 cents of every dollar that they send to washington is wasted money. so, there are so many ways with overlapping programs that could be cut. there are so many ways that the government overpays people that could be saved. and that's what we need it do. that's w...

As you say, that they needed to do more of the outside game, but how the outside game works on this congress given the set up in terms of safe districts and everything else. >> right. do they have an incentive? >> what they talk about is really quite a mystery and i think no one is clear exactly how this ends because this is not a split the difference scenario. this is a two-sides diametically opposed scenario. >> i think that's important. i think people think that this is just all politics. they just disagree in principle on the right move forward. that's why i worry about 25 days. are they a...

Consequences to the sequester. remember, it was put in place because the thought was that the cuts were so odious that no rational legislator, no rational government official, would allow it to happen, and so they are painful and they will have impact. and it is troubling. and the question is whether when congress returns next week there will be a sense of urgency about it, but i do think, as i said earlier, the problem right now is the public has sort of tuned out to all this because it's part of the washington follies at this point. and their sense is somehow it will all work out. >> and the...

Some of the republicans in congress that maybe the sequester is all right. maybe this is another way of shrinking government in a dramatic way. and i think, you know, that's a dangerous idea, but it's not uncommon in some quarters on capitol hill. >> no doubt. i want to ask you about immigration reform, because despite what happened to john mccain at a town hall meeting last night in arizona, there is a general feeling that -- i know i've talked to chuck schumer and other democrats who are working on this -- that something may actually happen, that copy of the president's plan, perhaps, was po...

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