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Is there anything that you would object to in their current spending package, including the elimination of americorps, for example, propose eliminating pbs, anything the president objects to? >> i don't want to pre-judge the outcome either in the house or the senate of what they are doing. we're obviously going to need to work together and find the things we can agree on. there will be things we don't agree on. i think we have to work through that. the challenge is going to be have a balanced approach and to not put all the burden in one place. our budget doesn't put all the burden on that sma...

Simpson is right. unless you deal with medicare and medicaid, social security and defense, you're not going to get there in terms of trimming this and getting the nation's finances under control. >> privately, david, white house administration official would acknowledge we do need to have an dut conversation. are they abdicating the responsibility to lead right now on this issue? >> there is a powerful argumenting inning that -- on the side of where is the leadership. we are accustomed to presidents now putting the budget out there and then congress responding. in this case, the president, whi...