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Eastwood and the chair, and that dominated the headlines. so it looked like the president had -- that was because, of course, before he ran into some turbulence. >> talk about that debate. those on the left were very surprised, those on the right also. >> absolutely. this was a key moment in the campaign where it lookedly maybe romney would be able to come back. obama's campaign team always thought this moment was exaggerated. the president's team always thought that was overblown, but certainly this was a big moment in the campaign. the president felt very down afterwards as glen and jonathan...

Obviously, he can't hear me. there he goes. we'll also talk about the fourth and final e-book about the twists and turns that decided the 2012 election. "politico's" jonathan martin joins the table down in d.c. next on "morning joe." hey big guy,

Bromenated vegetable oil? >> you know i'm joking. you know i'm going to beat you there. >> those doughnuts. >> you certainly are. just add another munchkin to your diet. you'll die in about five minutes. welcome back. harold ford jr., steve rattner, richard haass along with michael steele in washington. and joining us now from washington -- >> oh, this is big. >> -- moderator of "meet the press," david gregory. >> he was at woodstock, too. >> he would never drink the drinks that i mentioned on camera. >> i would not. i would not. >> he's very healthy. >> remember woodstock 2. he started that w...

Society, where we have a hammock. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers not makers. >> a welfare society where we have more takers than makers. >> we could be a nation with a majority of takers and a minority of makers. >> folks, that's the real paul ryan. he's just signed off on the gop's new plan to slash medicare and social security, but avoid raising taxes on the rich. like every good makeover artist, ryan is trying to hide his flaws behind cosmetic changes but it won't fool the american people. joining me now, david corn, mother jones washington bureau c...

Incentives for opinion shapers like limbaugh not to win elections. rush limbaugh did not need mitt romney to win to have influence, clout, and make money. in fact, he might have more influence, more clout, and make more money if mitt romney loses. and he's feeding talking points for the base. and there is a beautiful built-in excuse for a guy like limbaugh. run an election like there and romney can lose, and it can be that romney isn't conservative enough. or look at one like christine o'donnell in 2010, where they nominated the most conservative candidate and still lost, well, the party estab...