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Nixed the idea. >> yeah, that is the bizarre -- >> am i right on that if. >> you are absolutely right. the source may be basing it on the accounts of other people in the meeting as well. essentially, the source seems to be saying sessions is not disputing it, but he has no specification recollection of papadopolous, because he was a 29-year-old campaign aide that nobody remembers. >> this seems to be the case that he's fairly junior, but he is sitting in that meeting, they have the e-mail chains, there's what seems to me a pattern that sessions has a problem with as he thinks about mule exert ...

You've got that guy on e-mail chains with senior people on the campaign about setting up a meeting who is also being told by intermediary we have e-mails from clinton. that seems like pretty close to the heart of the matter of what we're talking about here. >> it really does. and this really is probably one of the -- if not the most significant perhaps one of the most significant things that has been learned today, which is that not only did papadopoulos become informed by an individual who portrayed themselves as affiliated with the russian government, that the russians had her e-mails, hilla...

>> probably a few. >> were you in e-mail chains about russia. >> it play come up from time to time. again, there is nothing major. >> speak to how that plays in and the president's claim that is in cross purposes with the claim that he is not under investigation. >> wow! i don't know what to tell mr. page on than he should seek the advice of counsel. everything that he tells chris hayes that can be used against him. i know when rob blagojevich was under investigation, the u.s. attorney's office, and i was there at the time and i'm not telling you any secrets. mr. blagojevich would comment abou...

Of mueller's team's discovery or does it have more to do with paperwork, e-mail chains, telephone calls, financial relationships and advisers, past advisers who left the white house months ago or maybe even never entered the white house. >> interesting. the russia cloud is continuing to hangover the president no matter how much the white house attorneys are saying that they are cooperating. it's still hanging over them. >> yeah. it's interesting. you've heard some theorizing about what the white house legal strategy is here. perhaps they want to be more cooperative because they want to move th...

We're not far away from asking questions of the president himself. >> margaret, how does the white house see this? we know former and current insiders are going to speak with robert mueller. >> well, there's certainly been a sense of inevitability about this. they've known not for weeks, for months that all of this is coming. and the question is where is it all leading? what can reince priebus tell robert mueller that robert mueller didn't already know? and is the nature of those conversations with current and former white house aides going to be the most important element of mueller's team's ...