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Fighting with one arm behind their back when it came to really debating hillary clinton and taking her to task fully? >> i thought it was interesting that they didn't go after her. particularly on the e-mail issue. because, look, there's an fbi investigation. she hasn't been forthcoming. that's a national security question. put aside the legalities of this. it's clear that the russians and the chinese were trying to hack in to her server. she was secretary of state. this is information crossing that server was of national security interest for sure. and i would have taken her to task for that....

You know what, that's the truth. >> can i disagree he said it might not be politically savvy, listen to the words, they were chosen, he didn't say this e-mails. he said your e-mails. right. so he did place ownership on the e-mail issue. i think he reminded people that the scandal is out there and people are talking about it. i don't think he absolved her completely. >> okay. very quickly, jim webb, lincoln chafee, what's next? >> jim webb completely faded from the stage except for odd moimt moment, lincoln chafee talk about being a block of granite. everybody was watching him on twitter. >> i ...

So it doesn't have credibility. but the more important thing is the republicans can't give up character attacks on hillary clinton. that is because they don't want to run against her in the general election and they have nothing to offer her in the country. we know what the republican platform is going to be no matter who gets the nomination and i think it reeks of desperation on their part. >> dan, the e-mails, i know it's two separate issues and, you know, rightly so. michael said they've become conflated. but if benghazi comes up, the e-mail issue comes up, what does hillary clinton need to...

Acknowledged. there's the president calling it mistake but hillary clinton has already called it a mistake. >> right. i mean, i think he's reiterating what she said about it. i think that that's reflects where -- how a lot of voters see the issue. she's taken some heat over this over the last few months. i think at the same time to richard's point, she's been out talking about a variety of issues, at the same time. and i think the debate prevents -- allows on opportunity for her to discuss the issues more so than the daily news clip from folks who are attacking her on the e-mail issue. that sa...

About her. >> sure. >> that was her own side of the aisle. >> right. >> saying that she was "shifting, dodging and changing positions" to satisfy the politics of the moment. how does she change that? >> it's very difficult. first of all, when you've been in politics for 30 years, you have to convince people to be excited about you. if it's your -- a new thing. >> she's not a new thing. >> the advantage that hillary clinton has in a democratic primary -- >> if you look at the polling, 68% of democrats actual little do think she's trustworthy. they don't think the e-mail issue is a big issue. wh...