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Vote for the ear marks it goes into the slush fund injuries the executive branch spends the money and then you have to grovel and beg and plead and say please return my highway funds to me. the whole principle of budget that is messed up. i never voted for an earmark but i do argue the case for the people i represent to try to get their money back if at all possible. >> isn't that the same thing of having your cake and eating it, too. you can complain about earmarks but if there are provisions there that help your district or your state that is different. if 434 other members felt the same way...

Bulls and bears. >> gary b smith, jonas max ferris along with matt, and suzanne. cut the pork to cut the debt? >> of course, this is like a moral black hole. and 40 of these special projects, ear marks were started by republicans who gained office a year and a half ago because they were against ear marks, what happens is the immorality of this, and then all of a sudden you have to raise money and all of a sudden want to get reelected and guess what, an ear mark becomes a special project and a special project two and a half billion dollars here and a billion dollars there, if we're not going to...

They can do it in an hour. >> yeah, lawrence, i -- >> and for the president to take that moment and realize he has got them exactly where he wants them and to show his environmental constituency that he's serious about thinking about this longer, but primarily to show that presidential power of the veto and the boldness of this leader on this issue would be, i think, a great opportunity. >> chuck? >> i think we should use the veto, but on the right issue. >> chuck, what do you think? >> it's very hard. i agree with you overall. i can't believe the president hasn't done a veto on anything. i th...

But will make us feel better. it is a start, isn't it? >> yeah, i think it is it a start. dennis is right. it is not big but the optics are good and what demoralizes the american people is the government is becoming increasingly sneaky and doing things in a less transparent way. the real issue is oz is right. spending and growth. we could afford our budget if we had growth up. bottom line, should we be banning the earmarks. it is never going it happen. congress could legislate a ban on earmarks and then they will walk over to the executive branch where they will hit up the agencies to take fro...

He has his head in the right place but how as a policy do we make it happen. i say we form a po bucket and they can only have two million and have it it. it is a better fix than outright ban on earmarks. they want line item veto. and the stuff that the president picks out that he doesn't like they need a transparent vote. they say no. we want it spent. it is all secret. high can pick them out and cross them out and say that is too much money.