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For the first time in a week. white house press secretary jay carney i find very interesting refused to characterize the conversation. let's bring in congressman chris van hollen of maryland tonight. good to have you with us. >> always good to when with you. >> you bet. are democrats united on this rate issue? we keep hearing it. now that boehner is starting to move a little bit and say that the money is going to come from the wealthy, yet he hasn't identified these reductions, where do democrats stand on rates? is that the bottom line? the rates have to go up? >> the rates have to go up, ed. ...

Supposedly eligible for medicaid, the dish money goes away. now all the people of south carolina, excuse me, of south dakota, are going to pay higher health insurance premiums because their governor refused to accept medicaid. those people are going to get taken care of anyway that don't get the medicaid and now the citizens of south dakota are going to pull out of their pockets extra health insurance premiums to pay for them. how is this serving the people of south dakota? >> it simply is not. there are a lot of governors not paying attention to detail. they're rejecting it for the sense of r...

You also try to reduce the deficit, you end up whacking everybody else much harder. and so it's really important to have that revenue number as high as possible. >> sure. >> look, the president's already been clear, ed, on cuts. he will continue to implement over the next ten years over $1 trillion in cuts that he agreed to as part of the budget control act. 100% cuts and at the time he said we got to come back and do revenue. he's also called for over a half trillion dollars in additional cuts and he's laid out exactly what those would be. >> today senate minority leader mitch mcconnell dared...

That we can have more of our values represented there. >> it was demint and his tea party allies who pushed the country to the brink of default back in 2011. this is what demint told abc news about republicans who tried to strike a debt deal. >> what happens if -- what happens to republicans who go along with a debt ceiling increase? if they go along with the debt ceiling increase without a balanced budget amendment and the kind of stuff you're talking about? >> i think for the most part they're gone. it would be the most toxic vote we could take. >> demint's far right ideology is a key reason...

Analyst and associate editor and pulitzer prize winning columnist for "washington post" but most of all i can title them both as two distinguished gentlemen from south carolina. gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight. congressman, you first. is the congress -- >> thank you so much. >> is the congress better or worse off with a guy like jim demint? >> well, i wouldn't put it that way, ed. i think that jim is a very principled guy. i never agreed with a single one of his principles, but he's a very principled guy. he is doing what he thinks he needs to do in order to further his cause.