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Joining me now from new york is ed hussein. he is a senior fellow for middle eastern studies at the council on foreign relations. ed hussein, welcome to you. let me pivot to the u.s. connection here. because today we learned the defense secretary chuck hagel spoke not just once, but twice in the past week to the head of the egyptian armed forces. in fact, this is video. this is hagel in april with general sissi. this is a guy we saw on television just this time yesterday who basically was the one giving the order to overthrow mohamed morsi. my question to you, sir, is how much sway does washin...

And help fuel anti-americanism. my concern is that this has nothing to do with the united states, what's happened in egypt. this is the making of egyptians themselves. their government, their failures, their disunity, their protests, their military coup. can we be carried by sadly and wrongly the perception that the united states is again to be blamed. and it's not. >> ed husain, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. did the prosecution save the best for last? tomorrow is a huge day in this courtroom in sanford, florida. and in this murder trial of george zimmerman. because the st...

Islamism in a way that it is relevant to the modern world. given the risk of anti-americanism in the world we should not oppose that from the west but try and work with that current rather than against it. >> better or worse off, simply? >> i think worse off. no military coup is good news for a country on the path to democracy. >> ed husain, we'll talk for another 30 minutes. thank you so much for your perspective in terms of what's happened in the last couple of days. now to the george zimmerman trial, court is in recess today for the july fourth holiday. tomorrow it appears prosecutors may...

Billions of dollars of taxpayer money. egypt today is under a new government run by a muslim brotherhood president and our relationship not just in the last 72 hours, hour relationship with the country of egypt is being tested. joining us next,ed hussein, a senior fellow for middle eastern studies, he's also the author of the book, the islamist, why i became an islamist fundamentalist, why i became one and why i left. tell us about your journey. >> i think it was a journey that was ordinary to thousands of young muslims around the world. i was born and raised in europe, many of my con temporar...

Joining me now from washington, and this guy's perfect for what we're talking about here, ed hussein is a former islamic fundamentalist now advocating muslim engagement independent mainstream western society, and a senior fellow at the council of foreign relations. i appreciate you coming on. let's kick this thing off by tell me your story briefly. you say you were recruited to be an islamic fundamentalist. how did that happen? >> it happened to me. it happened to thousands of us not just in the west but thousands more in the muslim east in that it happened on university campus where i was loo...