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Snowden has done several things at once. i think he's released certain information that has produced a valuable political debate. that's what his father wants people to focus on. that's accurate. at the same time, he leaked other information to do with specific surveillance information on russia and china which there is no clear public interest in having been a release of. even if you have good reason to do certain things, there's good reason to know what you do about top secret administration. >> what we need is what obama has promised which is a national conversation on balancing -- >> which...

>> former pennsylvania governor ed rendel. business insider, josh barro. senior correspondent, anna palmer and bloomberg view analyst, john. i want to quickly go back to p.j. crowley on this. i think the term diplomatic crisis is too easy to throw around. this is obviously a very awkward situation for the u.s. government as well as governments around the world who now are dealing with an egypt that is completely in flux. we don't know who's in charge. >> well, it's very, very important to the future of the middle east. obviously the middle east is important to the united states. egypt is the p...

For the u.s. senate. >> gretchen: some people might be startled to look at where you are in the polls. you never have run for state wide office and look at this. bob casey 48 percent. tom smith 45 percent x. ed rendel former governor a former governor said this. >> our vores are not reliable as the republican voters regardless of the enthusiasm gap especially they feel republicans turn out well and sneak over the finish line and do a startling upset. i believe that is a possibly. >> ed rendell believes there is a possibility you will win the race. >> i have every intention of winning the race....

Reproduced. >> that was one of the biggest issues of the summit, indeed. well, thanks so much congressman, come back soon. appreciate your coming on today. >> you're welcome, andrea. new numbers today as we have been pointing out that the budget deficit as now reached a new all time highway, set to reach $1.5 trillion before the end of the year. that could put a dent in the president's big plans for more spending. with us now nbc political analyst, ed rendel. late night and early morning for many of us, but very sobering numbers from the budget deficit from the ceo. that's going to make it h...

But look, we ought to have gun control. if you poll the american people now about having clips that contain more than ten bullets, most will say we need to restrict them. no one needs a magazine with 33 bullets in it to protect their home. no one does. it's clear as the nose on your face. we have got to seize the momentum. i think the president should have -- he shouldn't have made it the centerpiece of his speech, but he should have said in referencing the green family, in referencing the mr. hernandez who was there, say, look, this is a time when america needs to take a deep breath and do wh...