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Of what happened so we get the bigger picture and can really understand exactly what happene happened. >> dana: do you think that dreamers out there it might not understand what the rules are, that they need to make sure that they have permission in order to leave in order to come back to is there an education problem that needs to take place in? >> alan: no. i can tell you every daca recipient i've ever spoken to it knows that fact very well. in order to leave the country you have to get something called advanced parole. basically it's permission from the government to leave the country so th...

The bigger picture and can understand what happened. >> do you think that dreamers out there might not understand what the rules are? they need to make sure they have permission in order to leave and come back. is there an education problem that needs to take place here? >> no, i can tell you ever document recipient knows that very well. to leave the country you need advance parole. it's basically permission from the government to come back into it. i think that point is very clear to all of them. they're all very protective of their status and want to maintain it. the vast majority i think kn...

Irment voo -- environment. by golly, they change, it's know the static, people change in a good way. >> julie: and my point about the pell grant, college age school vouchers and why don't we-- >> if it works for vouchers and-- >> i know that john tamney is not a fan of department of education. it's got to start somewhere. is this the place where the revolution in education could start? >> i don't think so. why is it that conservatives want to then have the government centrally plan our way out of the education problem? i'm all for competition, i think it improves school, but i'm with bill and ...

Years of liberal policies that have not worked to help the very people we want to help. it's time to look at all these programs and determine what's working and what isn't. because until we start to find programs that actually work and we provide opportunities, more opportunities and a better education, we are going to have more of the same. >> what works? what's working? >> educating more of our kids. >> how do you do it? it takes government money. improving schools in baltimore. >> if money was going to solve the education problem we would have solved it decades ago. >> do you believe we are...

Years of liberal policies that have not worked to help the very people we want to help. it's time to look at all these programs and determine what's working and what isn't. because until we start to find programs that actually work and we provide opportunities, more opportunities and a better education, we are going to have more of the same. >> what works? what's working? >> educating more of our kids. >> how do you do it? it takes government money. improving schools in baltimore. >> if money was going to solve the education problem we would have solved it decades ago. >> do you believe we are...