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>> reporter: that's a amnesty plan in 2013 crafted by rubio and seven other senators, the so-called gang of eight. that did include a pathway for citizenship for those who came illegally. >> we have an obligation and need to address the reality of the situation we face. >> reporter: many conservatives never liked rubio's support for it and kroousz knows it. but rubio is counterattacking. >> ted cruz supported a 500% increase in the hb-1 visas, guest workers and he supports doubling the number of green cards. >> reporter: that's true, too. would have legalized the status of many who came illega...

On capitol hill. both hispanic-american. both representing two futures of the party. one with the return to the hard line, most conservative principles of the party. the other one representing with a more establishment side. the future of the party as far as diversity and bit more inclusive. >> it seems like one of the ways that ted cruz is looking to distinguish himself is on the issue of immigration. is ted cruz's message he is tougher on immigration resonating at this point? >> it seems that ted cruz is really trying to eliminate all doubt that there is any inch of him that is not conservat...

Hire an hb-1 visa candidate, some one to do technical work. it will cost you more. washington and i say so. he is not a small government conservative. donald trump thinks bigger government is great as long as he is running it and not those stupid politicians. so, this is, i think a very unrealistic plan. >> katrina, you are a trump supporter. what do you make of this plan. to alex's point. trump says there is more than 11 million. he says 34 million. 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country. a lot of them have kids who are american citizens. >> we have a porous border. >> do you suppo...

Seat" tonight. you want to make a clarification. >> when i was talking about highly-skilled workers, the hb-1 visa program is not highly skilled. >> what are your plans to reduce the national debt? tom gets a little bit more specific. he says the federal debt is currently at 18.3 trillion. what is your plan to get it done to zero? >> real quick, growth. that's the most important thing. flat tax will increase revenues reduce outlays. means testing entitlement program particularly for food stamps medicaid all those programs. means test social security and we need to do something on creating gene...

Matter what the consequences for 2016. the only question is if it can hurt them in 2014. that's something rove is worried about. >> the problem is this is a result of the failure of the congress not coming up with immigration reform which would address the issue of border security. technology. plugging this loophole. >> yeah. >> the legalization, the path to citizenship for the 11 million. and the economic issue. the hb-1 visas. skilled workers. bringing them in. good for the economy. immigration reform is dead. any maneuver or piece of legislation that deals with it is immediately suspect. i ...