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they report directly and only to me. in fact are physically separated. and that kind of objectivity has helped us in deciding whether charges should be brought against the officers involved in this and otfficer involved fatalities. >> it's not specialized units that create abuse. it's abuse that creates abuse. do you agree with that? do you think there is an inherent problem with specialized units like this? >> so, anderson, maybe a little bit of yes and no here. there is nothing wrong with hot spot policing, as they call it. like taking a look at the geographic data, identifying those areas of towns where there seem to be a spike in crime, and then deploying police accordingly. but sometimes the specialized units that do that kind of hot spot policing, they sort of develop their own esprit de corps, and it leads to a culture that is maybe hyper aggressive. and we've seen this with the scorpion unit, and we've seen

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this with other units around the country. so while i wouldn't go so far as to say all specialized units are inherently bad, i do think there is way to do hot spot policing without having these elite specialized units, and that all such units should be met with careful supervision and very careful training to overcome the very natural temptation for them to feed off on each other and become overaggressive. >> isn't that about leadership, though? isn't it about oversight and leadership? obviously, you want people to have an esprit de corps as being involved in what they're doing. obviously you don't want the negative aspects of how that can be in that sort of hyper violent way. >> well, that's true. and i think it does require leadership. and it does require supervision. you know, we have a relatively new police chief who has been on the job for a year and a half. and i think she acknowledges that this needs to be a review of these specialized units there needs to be a review of the type of training and crucially

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supervision of these units that occurs. and i'm hopeful that that kind of reevaluation will not be limited to just memphis, but will be nationwide. there. >> has been a lot of emphasis on the speed, the investigation. are you confident a jury will deliver convictions on those charges? because some attorneys have suggested that the second-degree murder charge could be difficult to prove because the tendency law stipulates tenants must be reasonably certain that their actions would lead to death. that is true. that is the definition of knowingly which is required for second-degree murder in tennessee. we are -- we did a very swift, but also very thorough analysis of all of the information, and we are comfortable with the charges we brought. we're confident we'll be able to prove every element of every of those offenses charged to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. and i'm also hopeful that the analysis doesn't end with this particular case, but it leads to a broader conversation about the need for police reform around the country. >> district attorney mulroy, i

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departments, memphis included, will be looking at if we're going to have specialized units out there with citywide authority focused on crime and acting independently, the training has to go way up. but on the body-worn camera issue, you know, they start off with the cameras rolling because they think they are doing the right thing. as they lose track of doing the right thing, i'm not sure that they came to that realization. and the cameras have been interesting because they've caused complaints against police to go down, because the person who might make something up knows there is a recording. on the other hand, it's caused a lot of complaints against police to be substantiated because when the person guess forward with it, despite the fact that they know it's on tape, usually the tape tells the truth. >> that's interesting. chuck, the police department in memphis has been praised for how quickly they responded to, although some now pointing out it's the police department, the mayor's office that created the scorpion unit that the officers belonged to in the first place.

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do you think so-called elite units like the scorpion unit, are they inherently a problem? do they play an important role? >> well, i think what's happened is in the past two years, you've had a series of events. you've had the george floyd murder. you've had the pandemic, and then you've had a spike in violent crime. particularly homicides and shootings. and i think a lot of departments have pivoted and have said we need to do something about violent crime. but i think they forgot the lessons. amadou diallo, a number of cases like this where specialized units sort of are emboldened by the department, by the mayor. you've got to do something. but there are specific things that you can do. supervision is key. what was astonishing was there was no supervisor on scene there. and you had almost ten different people coming. so strict supervision.

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action, as we saw in the video. tyre nichols' body would stay on scene for almost 20 minutes for a stretcher arrived. and as a result of the inaction by these emts, they have now been fired. also today, anderson, we're learning that a sixth and seventh police officer with the memphis police department is now on leave. they are part of this investigation, as you mentioned. the sixth officer because of that taser that he used. he is under investigation. and now a seventh officer is under investigation as well. and the memphis police department said that their investigation is still ongoing and that more personnel action can be taken. this of course comes as scrutiny over this unit, the scorpion unit continues. tonight we take a look at other units similar to the scorpion unit around the country. just a warning that some of the video you may see, you may find graphic. >> there is a reckoning coming for the police department and for the leadership.

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nichols, it's been disbanded. specialized units have existed in most of america's 70 major city, often driving police arrest stats and generating pr opportunities for politicians eager to appear tough on crime. >> i'm glad to hear that the unit has been disbanded. i think we should probably be taking a serious look at these specialized units, both in memphis and around the country. >> reporter: this kind of so-called elite police squad is not a new idea. >> so some cities are taking on drug dealers with urban commando teams with intimidating names. like crash, dart, tnt, and in atlanta, red dog. >> show me hands, get on your knees. >> reporter: atlanta's red dog unit started in the 1980s. officers went on high-risk raids and patrolled public housing. it was publicly popular, but was disbanded in 2011 after years of complaints over its tactics. in 2021, facing a new spike in

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oversight and leadership? obviously want people to have enough's excreted core, being involved in what they're doing obviously, you don't the negative aspects of how that can be in that sort of hyper violent way. >> that's true, i think it does require leadership, and does require supervision. we have a relatively new police chief who's been on the job for a year and a half i think she acknowledges that there needs to be a review of these specialized units it is to be a review of the type of training and crucially supervision of these units that occurs and i'm hopeful that that kind of reevaluation will not just be limited to memphis building nationwide. >> there's been a lot of emphasis on the speed, the investigation, subsequent charges via investigation. i'm confident in jerry will deliver convictions on the charges? so injuries have described that the second-degree must have been reasonably certain that their actions would lead to death. >> yes, that is true, that is a definition knowingly which is necessary in tennessee we did a very thorough -- and we are a

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>> the scorpion unit has had a total of 566 arrests 390 of them for felonies they have seized $103,000 in cash 270 vehicles, and to hundred 53 weapons. now after five member s of the unit work on a video and charged with murder in the violent beating of tyre nichols it's been disbanded. specialized units have existed in both of -- and generating pr opportunities for politicians, you're to appear tough on crime. >> i'm glad to hear that ian's been disbanded, i think we should probably be's taking a serious look at these specialized units, both in memphis and around the country. >> this kind of so-called elite police squad is not a new idea. >> so, some cities are taking

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taking a look at the geographic data, identify those areas of the town where there seems to be a spike in crime, and then deploying police accordingly. but sometimes a specialized units to do that kind of hot spot policing, they develop their own excreted core, and it leads to a culture that is maybe a hyper aggressive. we've seen this with the scorpion unit, and we've seen it with other units across the country. so i wouldn't go far so far as to say that all specialized units are inherently bad, i do think there's a way to do hot spot policing without having these elite specialized units, and that all such units should be met with careful supervision and very careful training to overcome the very natural temptation for them to feed off on each other and become overaggressive. >> isn't that about leadership, though? isn't it about

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