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Encryption is that absolutely nobody can read it but the recipient. if the company could read the messages, they wouldn't be secured by end to end encryption. >> do i look like an engineer to you. >> andy: you made a statement and it's factually wrong. >> i don't know that it's wrong. [laughter] >> andy: honestly -- >> it's transmitted over the world wide web to get someplace, everything that's in the world wide web is somewhere else. >> they can see your keystrokes. they can figure it out, i'm sure of this. >> andy: you all have equal -- the israelis could not break the encryption. >> tom: an...

Whatsapp. it is owned by facebook and now, the company is refusing to give investigators access. here now, ben collins, a u.s. army former green beret who served three tours of duty in afghanistan. ben, welcome. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: the encryption, it's not as easy as it sounds. >> not at all. the way that these were, it is called end to end encryption. if i was to send you a message on whatsapp, i send it, it gets scrambled as it leaves my phone, it goes through the servers, when it gets to your phone, it gets unscrambled. if i have a key to unscramble it, you do, too. there is essen...

Deliver this message. telegram is going to say the same thing. they can't break into this stuff. >> that's a fine line for technology companies that want to play ball but want to make sure folks' information are mains private. >> they are delivering information to the government. many of these companies like microsoft with their e-mail or facebook, they will get requests from the government and they are not using end to end encryption. so when the government goes there, they can gain access to the servers on their side but only with a warrant and the prop r channels. that's still possible. but...

Authorities off the trail. this should be something french authorities can identify. he's alienated from his family. you would think they would cooperate and dna testing could be done soon whether it was abu killed. >> the suspicion is he was in syria, in raqqah with the leader of isis abby baky backer al bag. >> one thing this highlights is gaps in our intelligence collection in part because of so-called end to end encryption, whether in a playstation 4 or app or i message in iphone, terrorists are able to use encrypted communications and that's something we need to consider as a society, whe...

Caliphate, move to a mobile messaging apps that is an encrypted. the needle we are searching to find, and found was invisible to us. that is the growing problem. >> that district attorney singles out smart phone operating systems from apple and google, that have end an end encryption. even the manufacturers cannot access information on the phones even if compelled to do so by a court order. >> the solution summarized in a report is simple, make smart foes signed by judges after reviewing the evidence. to determine probable cause. >> avalanche google resisted efforts to weaken smart phone encry...