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But if he were to come out and call for background checks, for example, that kind of presidential leadership could provide the momentum that anna was just talking about. and if the president really forcefully add video indicated for this, i would assume that at least a few republican senators would get in line behind him and it could potentially be enough to push that over the finish line. remember, background checks is very popular with the general public. it nearly became law during the obama presidency. it's not quite as significant a hurdle as an assault weapons ban, for example. and so we...

>> i have no information but i have little doubt. there's going to be a back and forth, especially once the scope of the inquiry. you hear the criminal defense lawyers that say, and i understand the perspective fully. he shouldn't go to sit down with bob mueller. but he is the president of the united states. so there's a certain, needless to say, obligation that attaches to that. we'll see what the president ends up doing. i think rudy being on the team is extremely helpful. i have the highest regard for rudy guliani. i think rudy is going to be giving the president very good advice, up, down ...

Are in the hpolls right now and it plays on the cultural tensions because many believe that is his best chance of pushing the monument stuff, going after this ms-13 gangs and tieing them to sanctions ware cities. it will be interesting to see how he plays that cultural card. >> and this is the president tweeting about it. there is some truth to that and the part that the president did when he ran -- >> absolutely. he's straddling the line of voters and while he's doing this weird dance, i'm interested to see what the president ends up doing. the president is very gun-shy about what happened af...

Martha: yes. i want to take a look at what john mccain said because everybody is out on the morning shows as well. let's take a look at that and i want to get your response to that. >> we are ready to work on a number of issues with the president, but we want to do it step by step. we don't want the budget gimmick that gives you six years of benefits for ten years in taxes. i mean, that's crazy. that is just -- that's -- martha: he's talking about the extraordinary amount of spending it would take, not to mention the fact we haven't had a real explanation of how on earth you're going to cut $5...

Tensions because many believe that is his best chance of pushing the monument stuff, going after this ms-13 gangs and tieing them to sanctions ware cities. it will be interesting to see how he plays that cultural card. >> and this is the president tweeting about it. there is some truth to that and the part that the president did when he ran -- >> absolutely. he's straddling the line of voters and while he's doing this weird dance, i'm interested to see what the president ends up doing. the president is very gun-shy about what happened after in alabama. he endorsed the more establishment candid...