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Reach back and talk to people who face the same threats and get their candid advice. that is why it is in place. and i called a former secretary. and he said i all the time would call on prior administration officials to get their advice. so it makes us less safe >> and john mclaughlin made an interesting point. john brennan was in the room, in on the decision to go after osama bin laden. this was a guy in a world where terrorism is one of our greatest threats that you want to tap into. >> a lot of people just like john brennan who are speaking out against the president and who may make this e...

Force. clapper, served two tours of duty in southeast asia. despite that, senator rand paul who floated the idea to the president, suggested that this issue is an easy political win. >> i think there's a great deal of resolve. because i don't think we should reveal secrets who are calling the commander in chief treasonous. i don't think there's many people in america who are going to disagree with that judgment that we will continue to give secrets to calling the president treasonous. i would probably go further and say that really ex-cia agents once retired should no longer have top secret cl...

To his enemy list. every morning i would walk into my office and check out his twitter feed. it was rare for a week to go by that he didn't lash out on that twitter feed. and the more people told him he was wrong, the more judges came out against him, he would just add the judges to the list and tweeting against him. >> because there were so many on the list, do you think people took it less seriously. i am not implying that it wasn't serious, but something horrific ended up happening and nobody expected that day to come, did they? >> i can tell you when your name pops up on your list, it grab...

The organizations went to court and showed they were being treated unfairly. so the president can't take away their personal constitutional rights. so the president like nixon had an enemy list, if he called me up i didn't work for nixon, but if nixon called me up and said oh, you have to prosecute somebody on the interviews list, boy, we would have had a very serious issue. the person would not be prosecuted and could have gotten the case dismissed and that would have been another part of the articles of impeachment. >> you are saying that -- are you making the argument that only congress can...

That should tell you everything you need to know. >> let me add this, 10:00 p.m. any night you want to be here. here's my promise. i won't say a word. i'll sit here and guide us in and out of the commercials and leave it to you guys for the hour. i will stay out of it, i will not touch the scale one way or the other. >> super bowl ratings. >> michael avenatti, paul butler thank you for joining us tonight. jonathan alter is going to stick with us. when we come back we'll discuss the difference between donald trump's enemy list and richard nixon's enemies list. the biggest difference is donald...