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Together sunday night, somebody at ways and means chair, somebody is going to go for it and get it. subpoena is ultimately the powerful tool. >> there was a discussion as to whether kellyanne conway violated the hatch act at a campaign appearance. it kind of rose and died within an hour on social media because it was just too much. it was futile to even have the conversation because it was thought, there's no governing body that will give us satisfaction. >> i worked in a white house, a republican white house with a democratic-controlled house and i turned over my e-mails six times. they inves...

It's breathless. >> frank, are you still with us? we lost frank. i want to ask you, the idea of subpoenas flying, are the democrats up to the task? do you think they're going to have to focus their efforts or is everything going to be on the table? >> well, look. if democrats take the house, there will be a bunch of committee chairs who will each have their investigations they want to launch, so, it will be all over. and the idea that things are going to get crazier after the election just depresses me to no end. because we're trying to get to the election. >> well, i worked in the white house...

Eddie glaude, i worked in a white house when congressman waxman had this power. i turned over my e-mails, once around the enron scandal, once around the energy task force, once around valerie plame. that was waxman's committee. it is life changing for the most button down white house with norms and procedures and controls. it seems like it could be the true unraveling of the trump circus. >> especially combined with what's happening in the courts already. >> correct. >> right? and so -- >> these people already have lawyers. that's a great point. >> they already have lawyers. but what's interes...

So we know that we didn't like necessarily like the relationship favoritism with the halliburton, yet there is silence to some degree when it comes to relationship with google. martha: it is very, it is weird when you think about it, to have the head of any company, sort of standing next to the president all the time while he is doing these things. they have rivals. comcast is looking at that going, or any other of their rivals, going what is up with that? we don't get to sit in the oval office? >> this is exactly how it is done. cheney, secret energy task force meet. martha: this president --...

Can look at the arguments that cheney and his operation made when they were trying to keep information from the house oversight committee, the same committee, about the energy task force. >> if he talked what would you find out? a trail inside the west ring about targeting? >> i think this is the real challenge for what darrell issa is doing. there are times you can subpoena someone and say this is what we are likely to find and he may know that but isn't making it public. but because he cannot point to wrongdoings makes it seem like another subpoena trying to drum something up rather than a t...