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Talk about. he wanted all about daca, dreamers paired with your first reaction to that? >> i think all of this is interconnected. so we do want to find a resolution for our daca recipients. and they are very important to our communities. but because we need to focus on daca, then we do need to focus on border security and making sure that we are stopping illegal trafficking of humans, trafficking, drug trafficking, we need to talk about other caps that exist out there in her immigration policy. we need to talk about enforcement issues. so all of that comes into play. i think senator schumer is...

And concerned about washington and controlling washington so when the trump administration says all options are on the table in week test icbm missiles, we will get his attention. >> jon: we are apparently getting ready to ratchet that sanctions even tighter on north korea. vote that be helpful and effective? >> i think it will be effective. sanctions have been in place for a couple years, but they're only about a year, so around took three years, but north korea has not been affected before because of enforcement issues. don't have enforcement on the ground. secondary sanctions is important, ...

But at the time i cast that vote in 2015, i said, look, i have a couple of concerns and you've got to address these concerns because i'm not guaranteeing i will vote for it on the merits. the concerns weren't addressed. my concerns were around enforcement issues. hillary had the same view that there were a number of things in it she liked but other things she didn't. and as was the case when she was a senator, remember, hillary voted for some trade deals and she voted against others. if they didn't meet her standard of raising the number of jobs, raising wages and focusing on the enforcement a...

Aisle. that's what i have done in virginia and that's hillary's track record too. >> let me go back to wikileaks and one on tpp. this one was allegedly from ron clang and it was about the tpp flip-flop. he says this, she has to be for it. she called it the gold standard of trade agreements. i think opposing that would be a huge flip flop. she can say that as president she would work to change it. she can say it can be better, but i think she should support it. why shouldn't her new position on tpp be referred to as a flip-flop? why isn't it a standard definition of flip flop? >> well, look, i ...

Able to hit her hard, because this strategy is effective that obama released a book and then su subsequently ran and the longer she says that e she has not e decided the more she can get the ideas out there without them being challenged. >> and hogan, she has 100% name recognition across the country, and what does she need to add to the quiver here? >> well, i don't know, i mean. let me just say one thing quickly, i did not mean that she is trying to completely distance herself from the administration, but on certain issues that benefit her politically, and believe she will ride that horse to ...