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Would be looking for. we're still looking. so, that's what i mean by horrific. just a very difficult, difficult situation. >> now, what is so concerning about what he just said is this. they didn't find voids. you know where those voids are is where life is. and i know this is not what the families want to hear. but that is what he is saying. that is what he is describing is what he saw. huge concern about the investigation just to leave you with this. we know that homicide detectives are working alongside the search and rescue teams. that's important. because the families are going to want to...

About nearby construction where people thought it might be too close. and we've heard people say they felt the building shaking from the nearby construction. they thought that might be an, or an issue with ground water. the bottom line is, so many people said early on buildings like this don't just fall. that's true. sometimes there are clues and signs and maybe that's what this is. >> maybe. tom, thank you. wolf? >> thanks, very much. thanks to tom as well. joining us now, james cohen, a structural engineer served as a structure specialist after 9/11 as well. james, thank you for joining us...