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How might his son be a factor as he and his legal team move forward? >> brook, it's another classic prosecution tactic in order get your desired cooperator to flip. i defended someone in the enron case. it includes some of those working for bob mueller here. so you apply the pressure of the family members. it encourages the desired cooperate to to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. i think it could very well be going on here. >> so that's a potential. isn't it also so significant, we talked about charges all former trump associates but this is a

>> i want to bring in to add to this conversation a very special guest, kathryn rum her. was a former white house counsel to president obama and a former federal prosecutor. i want to speak to you for several reasons on the news of the day. but starting with where we are right now, your view of how it works when federal prosecutors may actually be coordinating with other local or state investigations and what that means here tonight. >> well, it can be a really effective way to proin investigation because you can leverage the resources not just of the special counsel's office but also of in th...

Of skills. the new york ag's office also has a very broad set of authorities that they can use, subpoenas and the like. in some respects even broader than what the feds have. so, you know, i think he's got the team, experienced team to work on this kind of a case. >> yeah. here is what i want to do. bred forest and mark turn nut, i want to thank you both for your analysis analysis on this story. kathryn, i want you to stay with me for a second conversation i want to have with you. ahead, more on this breaking stories. president trump's attorneys now tonight in contact with special koungs muell...

Certainly assess those defenses. they're going to read anything that trump's lawyers send over, but they're not backing an inch on manafort. flipping witnesses in the famous enron case. that was the complex fraud case. another key prosecutor on that team who you just met moments ago on the beat, kathy he's willing to take risks to secure witness testimony that other prosecutors might not. rum her helped secure the enron convictions and went on to serve as white house counsel to president obama. you can see there the former president, a talented lawyer himself said he picked rum her as his top ...

General prosecutors. so those questions you raise are important ones to answer and we continue reporting them out. >> let me read from your report as well as folks digest all this because one of the questions when you have millions of dollars floating this direction, right, is well, what's it all really for? there is a benign theory of the case that paul manafort is simply an incredibly good international advocate, spokesperson, strategist and thus is paid millions upon millions of dollars. the other theory that the investigators p ato be looking at in more than one jurisdiction would be that ...