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President win a state? region? and that is the question facing come knee now is this is boing to split republican party since getting tossed out of congress in 2006. the old guys versus new, young generation dealing with the deficit, reform the tax cut, attacking entitlement problem. it's going to give them shine and reassure voters you've got big ideas and plans. those are guys like marco rubio or paul ryan, for instance. he needs some of that to rub off on him. >> dorjo think, paul ryan is a favorite among an awful a lot of people. he has a medicare proposal some people think is too risky. >...

Establishment. which way do you think it should turn on that question? >> there is a choice is that everyone saying can the vice president win a state? region? and that is the question facing come knee now is this is boing to split republican party since getting tossed out of congress in 2006. the old guys versus new, young generation dealing with the deficit, reform the tax cut, attacking entitlement problem. it's going to give them shine and reassure voters you've got big ideas and plans. those are guys like marco rubio or paul ryan, for instance. he needs some of that to rub off on him. >> ...

Know if we vote on it now it will 2 down. go down. as we get closer to the fiscal cliff when wall of the tax cuts expire, the sequester is about to take hold, when the unemployment insurance extension ends, when the pay roll tox holiday ends, all of these things build toward the end of the year, that's going to be the opportunity i think for the grand bargain. >> well, that gives new meaning to the phrase lame duck session of congress. i think the terminology should be flipped. david corn on our panel wrote a book about this how obama fought back. i want to bring you in here because there is a...

Food right out of the poor children's mouth. quite frankly in michigan, that dog don't hunt. welfare should be used for the necessities of life, not for gambling and certainly not for the wealthy. >> i don't get this. excuse me for not understanding or maybe i do get it and that's why it seems so incomprehensible. she made after taxes $700,000 on this lottery check. she owns two homes. she says she has no income but she does. so what am i missing? >> well, i think the thing that was missing here is in the past in the state of michigan, if somebody won a lottery or gambling, if they took it in ...

Like people to look at the numbers, a flat line, 13.9% entitlements so-called or mandatory in 2011. 14.0 in, that's his proposal, in 2020. it's not increasing. >> all right. steve. but the fact -- >> that's the proposal. >> the fact that entitlement spending as a share is growing, growing. >> as a share of total -- >> discretionary -- >> going down. >> the discretion is going down because the other stuff is going up and squeezing out the other kinds of spending that some of us view as very important spending. infrastructure, r&d, education and the like and that is why whether it's before or af...