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Condi rice and jim baker behind him, i think they would be better off to look at the epa pick or somebody else. >> jake, off of that, given one of the tenets for our social security, medicaid. why not the principle point of democrats trying to tell people in the country through the process of the nomination process, the hearings, that you voted for donald trump and this guy stands against your best interests, his designee for hhs? >> democrats have tried that to little success. paul ryan, who was known for, at the time, to be what democrats said were radical plans to overhaul all entitlements,...

I want to do things that haven't been done including fixing and making our inner cities better for the african-american citizens that are so great and for the latinos, hispanics and i look forward to doing that, it is called america great again. >> we're back with a deeper dive into trump's cabinet picks, including a look at the man who will lead the effort to make inner cities, quote, better. trump tapped dr. ben carson to be secretary for the department of housing and urban development. carson has no government experience. none in housing, none in running an agency with a $47 billion budget....

What's left? >> the thing is all of the things that he seemed most qualified for, dhs, ag, he didn't want to do. >> he just wanted to be -- >> you know, i remember when i had first put out that rex tillerson was under consideration, there was some people that said the same as when i said nikki haley was going in to talk to trump and people taasking what's the contt for that? context is that rex tillerson is going in tomorrow. if i had a dark horse even though he said yesterday trump probably shouldn't pick a ceo of exxon mobil after his epa pick, it's obvious they don't care and so if there we...

Personally think there needs to be more balance and again after the epa pick, i would be very concerned about an exxon mobil ceo being in that position. >> it's a global energy company that will intersect with state department decision making. there's this whole issue of conflicts that i think come into play in a way that i don't think the trump people really appreciate. obviously they don't because he's got his own issues there. you know, i'm surprised romney has lasted this far. i didn't think this was coming. i'm also surprised giuliani is gone. i thought giuliani endured himself and such a...

Then who he chose as his epa pick, it would suggest there probably wasn't a lot -- >> al gore an environmentalist. >> maybe al gore needs more time with him. but the point is, he couldn't have picked somebody that al gore would have disliked more than the person that he chose. so, the question is over the long term, could president obama talking to him move him incrementally on certain issues? we don't really know. >> what does history suggest, professor. theinter play between former and successor presidents? >> you know, it it varies. when franklin roosevelt won in 1932, he didn't even want t...