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Was at the head of at the time. >> chris: epstein, not a cost. >> chris: chuck, it's so interesting. acosta said he did not want to be a distraction but he held a news conference for an hour on wednesday and most of washington thought he is trying to keep his job. certainly indicated he wanted to keep his job. what do you think happened? >> one of the strangest departure organizations ever happen. when you are living, you don't hold a press conference with the president as you leave. >> the president let him do it. >> either way, it's pretty unusual. the nines were out for alex acosta for othe...

Again, i don't know that they can do this. but the four or five people at the core of this have to get to be 15 or 20 to matter. otherwise, she will totally isolate them, make sure that nothing they want gets done, eliminate their ability to participate, do what she can. they get up to ten, 15, 20 members, now she has a much bigger problem. >> bill: more of these democrats in these deeply blue districts watch that story. on the epstein thing, i get the sense we are in the early stages of this. bill clinton had dinner with him years before, secretary acosta came out and defended the position th...