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>> well, listen, louisiana is a very roman catholic state and it is people take that very seriously as their religion and the church is against marriage equality. >> chief justice john roberts is a very roman catholic guy and when it comes to social justice and equality matters, the separation of the church and state. >> that's exactly right. but she has to go home and run and, again, understand the democrats have a five-seat majority. i'm not making any excuse for mary. i'm not. i know her personally. i love her to death. i wish she would change her stance but she's running for re-election in...

Recognize them. the other is a challenge to proposition 8 in california. that's the voter passed initiative that barred same-sex marriage in that state. now, that law was overturned, prop 8 was, by a federal appeals court that said you can't give a right and then take it away like this. if the supreme court does nothing more than uphold that ruling, it would apply only to california. so it may or may not get to the fundamental question about whether all states have to allow same-sex couples to get married. it could use the prop 8 case to reset question, but it doesn't necessarily have to. we'r...

And that could result in what would essentially be the roev. wade of gay rights. >> a new poll shows a pluralalty of americans supporting this. 30% supporting civil unions. is joining me now to help set the record straight on this, former white house adviser to president clinton and former president of equality matters. and from d.c., msnbc contributor and "washington post" opinion writer jonathan capehart. as we talk about these two cases in question, we've got doma, the defense of marriage act as well as proposition 8 to consider. if we first talk about doma, if it is struck down, what does ...

Involved with lgbt. it's my honor to have you. we talked about the lighthouse, established, opened up as a safe haven for kits in the lgbt community. how do you think the president's endorsement is going to change the endorsement allowing for kids in this country to feel like they have a place, not second class citizens as they figure out their sexual identities. >> it's really important. the president made a bold and risky move to basically come out for us. and especially for young people. they now have a message from the lead are of our country that their dignity, their integrity and their e...

should be able to get married. >> pretty strong words. pretty clear, too. dan lothian is live in washington, d.c. with us this morning. it took a long time for the president to evolve to this position. but why now? and why this way? >> that's right. well, the president had been under a lot of pressure to really state his position on this. and some top members of his administration over the last few days had come out and made their positions clear. and so the president finally came around on this after almost two years. he said after talking to his friends, his daughters and the first...