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Is two different things. they are two different things what exactly are you saying? >> it gets into the realm of plausible deniability. i like a ball a certain way but i don't know what that specific air pressure is. an equipment guy know it's under, that's up to the equipment guy. tom is saying here, this ball feels great in my hands. make all the balls just like this. not stressing a specific number and the air pressure. >> okay. so again, if that is true why doesn't he turn over his texts? >> well you know one of the issues here all along is that he agreed to testify at all. unthe union rul...

That's courage. >> that was the president just a couple weeks ago well coming the patriots to the white house to celebrate their super bowl win. joining us now on the phone, host of sirius xchlm's mad dog radio, chris russo. dog, good to hear from you. >> how are we doing? >> we're doing okay. we went through some of the particulars of the wells report. what is your big takeaway? >> the big takeaway is brady cheated. that's the big takeaway. the fact that he did an interview the today after, 12 hours after they beat the colts, was at larm that there was a deflate deflategate rumor and then at ...

Here. the league is saying it's more probable than not that tom brady had at least general awareness of this. the league is specifically saying that bob kraft committed no wrongdoing the owner of the patriots, no wrongdoing no awareness of wrongdoing making the same specific statement about bill belichick. so it's really -- and even these two guys the locker room attendant and equipment manager, it's saying more likely than not. so it's not making definitive statements. >> okay. but luke if you read the report and you look at the text message exchanges, you look at the direct correspondence be...

From your equipment guy. so it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. but this is the deal we sign up for. i will give you my education in replace for my services as a college athlete. >> hold one second, i want to talk about the dream that so many of these young players have is to go on to the nfl and there's big news in the nfl about the real cost of playing really are, the nfl's big settlement over concussions and is it a game changer for the players? ok, i am coming. [ susan ] i hate that the reason we're always stopping is because i have to go to the bathroom. and when we're sitting in ...