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Exclusive interview with chris wallace last weekend. this week, the media reacted, as you might have expected, "the washington post's" eric wimple, there is a mountain of contradiction on one hand ann romney her frustration that the campaign kept too tight a lid on the candidate. on the other hand she says that he wasn't portrayed completely in the media. i suppose it's the complaint na every losing campaign is going to have. >> it is and i think that some people who were watching that interview did not conclude that she was mean or that this was as jonathan said, sour grapes. i think she was ...

Know that you can't live in a free country without a free press. we all know that. but you know what else? you can't live in a free country for long without a fair press. we need a strong main stream media. that's why you and i criticize it, because we know we need in a flee country a strong main stream media and that means when the media sounds the alarm about something, when they tell us there is a problem out there, we need to trust them. we need to believe them. we need to -- if we don't believe them, we're not going to pay attention when they sound the alarm. the founding fathers gave the...

Because of race. right? >> bill: i just think it's insane. last week bernie and i talked about media bias in organizations that are in business not to inform anymore. they're pushing an i didn't agenda. you want to say something about that? >> well, yeah. eric wrote -- you made the point that since nobody trusts the media anymore, they won't have much of an effect on the election. i said i think you're absolutely right. so this fellow ended his piece by saying, if the impact of media bias is so trivial, why do these guys, you and me, why do these guys harp on it each week? first of all, we don...

Because of race. right? >> bill: i just think it's insane. last week bernie and i talked about media bias in organizations that are in business not to inform anymore. they're pushing an i didn't agenda. you want to say something about that? >> well, yeah. eric wrote -- you made the point that since nobody trusts the media anymore, they won't have much of an effect on the election. i said i think you're absolutely right. so this fellow ended his piece by saying, if the impact of media bias is so trivial, why do these guys, you and me, why do these guys harp on it each week? first of all, we don...

Know that you can't live in a free country without a free press. we all know that. but you know what else? you can't live in a free country for long without a fair press. we need a strong main stream media. that's why you and i criticize it, because we know we need in a flee country a strong main stream media and that means when the media sounds the alarm about something, when they tell us there is a problem out there, we need to trust them. we need to believe them. we need to -- if we don't believe them, we're not going to pay attention when they sound the alarm. the founding fathers gave the...