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The worst that he has seen it in a0 years, but i think there is some issues that we can also consider that, as you pointed out, they haven't been entering taiwan's essbase, the air force fighter pilots and bomber pilots have been at relatively professionally. we don't hear any reports of the taiwan side or the chinese side coming into contact, so the risk of an incident or an accident creating an escalatory cycle i think is still very manageable so that is the good thing. but this is clearly part of a political warfare campaign on the part of china to pressure on the people of taiwan and its l...

Guess it also means -- look, i think he underestimated china's patience. they're willing to take more heat here than -- >> he has believed that they're vulnerable to pressure because their economy is weakening. >> he does know they're not a democracy, right and that those pressures don't exist. >> i think the significant point about the announcement that was just made is that it continues this escalatory cycle. china has hit, we responded, whether it's a lot or a little matters less than. we just keep going up this ladder. financial markets ian can correct me if i disagrees, but financial mark...

Republic. so, yes, they definitely want to talk, but on their terms. >> all right, ali arouzi for us in tehran. for more on this i want to bring in kelly. she worked as an iran director for the national security director during the bush and obama administration. she is now vice president for national security at the center for american progress. kelly, good to see you. thank you for being with us. i think ali arozi and hans nichols both bring up important points. we can spend a lot of time discussing where this drone went down and whether it was actually in iranian waters or not. but if you lo...

Continued those negotiations, dealt with any remaining issues, used the sanctions still on the table to push back against their nefarious behavior in the region. and the hard hardliners led by that guy who never saw a war he didn't want to wage, john bolton, believe we should be on this escalatory cycle. so even chairman of the house intelligence committee adam shiff and iran, which shouldn't be doing what it's doing, over a year of sticking with this deal now feels like its internal politics require it to finally take action. that action is very dangerous to break out of the nuclear deal

Cycle. the danger here is that russia either misinterprets or believes that we are going to take an action and then escalates to a greater, potentially more destructive action on its part. that's the concern. calibration while also signaling. >> is that why this type of action wasn't taken during the obama years? >> well, i'm not going to comment on specific operations, but it was always the view when i was in the obama administration and when i was part of national security meetings on these types of topics that we wanted to be able to use all instruments of national power. we wanted to be ab...