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Injured 84 others. joining me now is nbc's pentagon correspondent hans nichol. hans, we heard from the defense secretary today. at the end of 2017, what is the overall message about isis' strength? >> in 2017, isis lost a tremendous amount of territory. they lost iraq, their caliphate. president trump will claim he accelerated it. they have gained a lot of territory away from isis. what trump did slightly different cwas that in raqqa thy surrounded the city. in mosul, it began in the obama administration, and they left an escape hatch so some isis fighters could flee. for the most part, though...

If she did, in fact, lie, she has to get in line for the desanction of doing that between representatives of the trump administration. that's why four of them have been indicted. >> well, if she lied, isn't that a crime, to lie before congress, even if you're not necessarily sworn in? >> you're presumed to be sworn in anytime you testify before congress. doesn't matter whether you take the oath officially, formally, per se, you are presumed to have been sworn in. and yes, lying to congress is a crime. >> are you concerned that president trump might issue pardons? >> so, i'm a little bit surpri...

Is knew the allegations before they cast their ballots who knowingly elected this man given all of his controversial past, you know, as you referred to earlier, ari, he was a controversial candidate in the primaries and voters knew that and they continued to vote for him. overturning the will of the voters would set a very tremendous precedent for the u.s. senate. >> right. it's not as easy as some washington republicans are trying to present it now and maybe why they're searching so desperately for an escape hatch to not have the problem you just laid out and the problem that david laid out. ...

Primaries and voters knew that and they continued to vote for him. overturning the will of the voters would set a very tremendous precedent for the u.s. senate. >> right. it's not as easy as some washington republicans are trying to present it now and maybe why they're searching so desperately for an escape hatch to not have the problem you just laid out and the problem that david laid out. david, stay with me. shelby and joyce, thank you both. >> thanks. >> thank you. coming up next, there's a hit to the republican tax plan. republican senator saying he's already against it. the votes later...

>> greg: that is despicable but that's not even the worst part. when the latino victory fund's father fund's -- said their ad. they use the attack as an escape hatch for their smear. they pulled the ad not of of sensitivity but they looked idiotic for choosing the wrong villain. i.e., half of america. they must have been bummed it wasn't a deplorable in a truck but a jihadist. it turned out to be a child's dream but it was a left-winger fantasy which viewed republicans as evil racists. they left has pushed the narrative for decades. it's not that you are wrong but that your evil which allows t...