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You know, it's very inconsistent with previous behavior in terms of espionage operations, and if it happened again, you know, why is the russian government not giving us more details? if it's such an obvious case, why haven't they released those details? >> i imagine you're not surprised by this, ambassador, considering the time in which you spent in russia and understanding the way in which they go about this kind of stuff. david whelan spoke with hallie jackson last hour about whether his family has heard from the trump administration. he actually said he doesn't believe they have. do you th...

President of the united states but to install a president of the united states? to what end? is it just to get rid of sanctions? >> no, this is old-school espionage operations. to control a foreign leader throughout the entirety of the cold war, the russians have been trying to get assets and people close to national leadership. they oent na own the national lp here. with that they can lift the sanctions, tear the united states down and make russia great again. >> matthew, i have to ask you, you sent out a couple of tweets that to your mind is probably the most important thing that was in muel...

2016. for men and women like me, who have worked against these countries for years, did not come unexpectedly. but if you look around, since the 2016 elections and outcomes, i don't see where much has changed on this. and i honestly worry that we're not postured for enough ahead of the threat. >> i know you've really been tracking this, shep. you remember the nation's chief intelligent officer warned how russia, china, and iran are meddling in u.s. elections. but the key thing anderson said to us, is that in fact what they've seen, based on his experience at the fbi, is there is an alliance be...

>> we have a 5-year plan. we have figured out what is going to happen in 2023. in beijing they are thinking what is the 200 your future of china and this gets to the south china sea. >> how do we feel? >> china is the number one strategic threat to our national security and they are very bold both economically and militarily. in spite of ping's pronouncement to the contrary of the rose garden in 2015 china has proceeded to militarize the south china sea. a military base, mounting massive espionage operations, $600 billion a year. what we need is not just about trade. when he talked about china...

>> we have a five year plan and we are doing high fives come we figured out. in beijing they are sitting and thinking, which is a 200 year future of china? >> shannon: had we feel? >> china is the number one strategic threat i think to our national security. they are very bold, both economically and militarily. it's bite of his pronouncement to the rose garden into an thousand 15 with president obama, china has proceeded to militarize. they have a military base in djibouti, they have massive espionage operations. they are stealing our intellectual property. we need is what the president has do...