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There are many who function like that in the world. or you have a country where the law is meaningful, where independent civil servants make moral and legal judgments in which coequal branches of government can offer checks. and that's really what the essential question before everyone right now is about. >> so i think i was on your show the day after the election and i was profoundly alarmed and depressed. and i think even then i didn't think within three years the united states would fall so far towards being a sort of authoritarian state like turkey, like russia where the leader does what h...

Essential question? is this impeachable behavior? >> well, i think my opinion is that it does rise to an impeachable offense. that's because we had to spend a lot of time during the nixon impeachment process studying the constitution, reading ancient british legal parliamentary history. pretty boring stuff. so i've been through it. high crime and misdemeanor, possibly even bribery here means an egregious abuse of power that attacks the democracy or threatens the democracy. not just any abuse. it's a really serious abuse. okay. i think we -- the evidence generally shows that. but the question i...

Nunes, using his time to try to hammer home what tom bossert called a debunked conspiracy theory that ukraine, not russia, interfered in the 2016 election. to various republicans asking the witnesses whether they thought hunter biden was qualified to serve on the board of that ukrainian company, which again, they're not there to discuss. all the way back to republicans storming the secure hearing room during the closed-door phase of this process, complaining of a secret process, even though, of course, republican members on the three relevant committees, more than 40 of them, were fully able t...

Case. do you buy that? >> deferred action is a prosecutorial. a judge can not tell a prosecutor he or she cannot bring a case than the judge can tell them to fly. it's just not something that's within the province of the judiciary. i don't even think this is a close case. >> laura: it isn't a close case if the court doesn't take any politics which is shouldn't. obama didn't have the authority to do dada, why doesn't trump have the authority to unwind it? >> that's the essential question. there are two questions in this case. one is whether or not the court has judicial review. they don't. this...

Testimony. >> michael, before we go, the essential question here is a political one. does the president's alleged behavior here rise to crimes and misdemeanors. many of the details of the behavior were not contested. the question was, did it rise to that level? you are getting to a point here with all these corroborating witnesses that you're in the same bind. from your view historically and again, this is a personal judgment, does it rise to that level? >> i think everything we're hearing so far suggests that as the speaker has said, this is deadly serious. i think there's a good case to be m...