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Standard, but how effective is brietbart? because they went after h.r. mcmaster mercilessly. jared kushner, cone, and they're all in the white house and bannon is the one who is out. >> it reminds of the people in charlottesville who are marching under the banner of failed military efforts, marching under the nazi banner, under the con federal banner. the reality is, i don't know anybody who checks write barth regularly for anything resembling information. i don't know that you do, i don't, i doubt that melissa does. it's not an essential reading. we know they like to be crude in order to get ...

Even consider because he was perhaps more moderate. then somebody, and you are having a thought bubble -- >> no, at the time that was a very difficult decision, because you are sitting there and saying well, if hillary clinton is elected, then he may have looked like a very good just as at the time, but then they took the gamble and didn't go through with it, and now here we sit. but i do think turnabout is fair play. as you said, democrats have done this before, republicans have done this, too, this is typical politics back and forth. >> that's true, although the only thing i would say is the...

>> i haven't mentioned pinheads and patriots much but the paper back is essential, essential reading for anyone want to go understand what is at stake in the upcoming election. by the way, happy early birthday. lincoln is on the way to kiwi land. and kenya. >> i think he's thanking me for the book. i didn't kill him. and if you become a premium member you get k. l. free of charge. good deal. from racine, wisconsin. >> since i'm the producer of the national geographic project, that might happen. i can just see me at the golden globes next year accepting the